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« Reply #25 on: 19/03/2017, 06:17 PM »
Would any of you know if the synesso or IMS baskets be a big improvement over the diadema stock baskets? I'm led to believe that the diadema baskets are the ones used in their commercial machines also?
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« Reply #26 on: 19/03/2017, 06:54 PM »
Synesso are a small to medium improvement mainly due to build
Haven't used the IMS to comment

Either way a change in technique is a normal acurance whenever a basket change is made

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« Reply #27 on: 19/03/2017, 10:12 PM »
Hey WV.... they sure are!  I used IMS screens in my Diadema and VST 18g baskets.  That was my sweet spot.  The Synesso ridgeless was okay and the Paesedo 22g over-kill!  Do it I say and make sure you have a reasonable tamper.  I have a Pullman (the 13th one he ever made, no markings or logo) and a cheap eBay 58mm (ish).  They're both great!
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« Reply #28 on: 20/03/2017, 07:55 AM »
Thanks for the tips guys. I'm leaning towards the VST's for know. I did inherit what I believe to be a straight 58mm tamper with the machine. There is a little clearance each side in the stock diadema baskets. I'm hoping it won't be my undoing in going for and practising with the VST as I'd prefer not to upgrade tamper. I'll hook myself up with some IMS screens a bit later in the year when I change over my group head seals. I'll tell the missus it's all part of the seal kit  :D

Although if you ever choose to offload your very rare sounding Pullman Brett 😀 Hahahah. Great score by the way!
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« Reply #29 on: 21/03/2017, 04:43 PM »
It wasn't a particularly educated score.... in the late 90's I received an email from Alan Frew saying this engineer coffee loving dude was making some tampers.  I sent my 80 or 90 dollars, I don't remember and was 13th on the list.  I remember showing it and saying to a local fabricator mate "get into this market... the prices folks are paying are astronomical"!  He took a quick look, said bargain and and asked where to order one for himself. Imagine my surprise when a few years later I joined CS and found my out that the tamper maker was a coffee household name!  I wonder how the new owners are going?
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« Reply #30 on: 21/03/2017, 11:52 PM »
My tamper was from the first run of the Barista model
I'm sure it's also the first one ordered with a convex base

I have 2 handles one in silver and one in gold alloy

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« Reply #31 on: 22/03/2017, 05:47 AM »
Very nice Kk!!
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« Reply #32 on: 22/03/2017, 08:58 AM »
Very nice KK.
I'll see you, and raise you - here's my 24ct bling :)

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« Reply #33 on: 22/03/2017, 05:02 PM »
 Oh my ..... I didn't even think that was possible! You Didnt buy it off a Saudi prince by any chance?

Dare I ask how much that would set one back financially? Good to know you have diversified your super portfolio with gold!
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« Reply #34 on: 22/03/2017, 06:19 PM »
Just teasing.  They are 24ct gold plated ;)

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« Reply #35 on: 22/03/2017, 07:42 PM »
Wow... I'd worry about scratches!  Also how does it go in the dishwasher??





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« Reply #36 on: 22/03/2017, 08:57 PM »
Are they for decorative purposes Paul? What basket do you have in the portafilter out of interest ?
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« Reply #37 on: 22/03/2017, 09:09 PM »
Is there a school of thought that says if the tampers are to much of a snug fit that you bring into equation a vacuum like pull when removing the tamper thus disturbing the puck?
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« Reply #38 on: 22/03/2017, 09:14 PM »
Absolutely!  Trick is to buy, for instance a specially machined tamper or matching tamper/ assets from the same manufacturer i.e Paesedo etc
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« Reply #39 on: 22/03/2017, 10:55 PM »
Yep, a 58.5mm tamper matched to a 58.5 precision basket is the way to go.
Cheers, Paul

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« Reply #40 on: 23/03/2017, 10:43 AM »
Post your findings or it never happened ;)
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« Reply #41 on: 23/03/2017, 10:42 PM »
Are they for decorative purposes Paul? What basket do you have in the portafilter out of interest ?
Pesado. Pesado baskets are made by IMS.

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« Reply #42 on: 04/04/2017, 11:58 AM »
Yesterday I was visiting a client as its a regular event
Close by I stopped in quickly to sponsor Barazi to see if they had any VST baskets
The answer is yes they stocked VST and Pullman also the standard baskets

So today I made a quick visit with my Pulman tamper to see if it would fit any of the VST baskets
I tried and tried without success all were to small
Then I was offered an old stock unit from 2013 to try - BINGO the tamper fitted beautifully
So I purchased it and drive it home for testing

Strega is warming up as I post and a report will be posted in due time
So for now I will post a couple of photos

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« Reply #43 on: 04/04/2017, 08:48 PM »
How did you go KK ? Notice much of a discernable difference with the VST's?
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« Reply #44 on: 04/04/2017, 09:01 PM »
How did you go KK ? Notice much of a discernable difference with the VST's?

Truth be told
I haven't noticed any difference in taste, however the espresso body texture is a little thicker

Preparation had to be adjusted - as in the grind needed to be made finer to get the same results

Normally I prefer a courser grind and a harder tamp for better flavour extraction on my preferred roast depth
I will revisit again on my next roast - making it a little lighter and give it another test 

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« Reply #45 on: 06/04/2017, 11:05 AM »
I taste a discernible difference between the VST and the Pasedo but that's because the Pasedo is 22g a opposed to 18g.  I'd wager a 22g VST would have no taste difference.

If you're on the money KK, you're on the money!   Folks have said that the VST is not easy to use compared to standard baskets.   They require much more exacting distribution dosing and tamp.   If I was doing 300 coffee shots are day I too would certainly fits the VST and go standard.  As we are no we can enjoy a bit of diagnostics with our hobby.
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« Reply #46 on: 06/04/2017, 02:53 PM »
My change "from" basket is a highly regarded Synesso basket sought after well before IMS or VST
Prior to that I had a La Marzocco basket with a standard Pulman tamper matched set (now sold)

The taste observations are not that different to me because I'm going from an already good basket to a basket with more precision in its manufacture

I had the VST's measure after the first shot, and actually found it easy to use

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