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It's done......Breville Dual Boiler Review coming in March  ;)
It's done......Breville Dual Boiler Review coming in March  ;)
Espresso Machines / Re: La Cimbali M100 versus Elektra Indie
« Last post by johnmichelle73 on 14/02/2019, 01:28 PM »
Thanks for the information, greatly appreciated.
Espresso Machines / Re: La Cimbali M100 versus Elektra Indie
« Last post by mycuppa on 13/02/2019, 06:30 PM »
JM73, I think you have already answered your question in the last sentence.

If you have bad water, then steer clear of most those machines, especially LM or anything with stainless parts as these will not last unless you are an expert in controlling the water pH and you install multiple filter systems.

Sub-standard water = expensive service and repairs full stop. No buts or maybe's - it's the cause of most failures on espresso equipment.

In this regard, stick with an Expobar if your local techs have access to parts and expertise. The return on investment and reliability should be your #1 priority, then followed by features. Forget brand reputation or "promise" - means nothing. Machines are only as good as the nut behind the wheel.

If you are planning on running a machine in a cafe and likely to experience "busy" periods, even if it's only a few times a day, then go with traditional style machines, otherwise stability and recovery are going to result in greater inconsistency.

Espresso Machines / Re: La Cimbali M100 versus Elektra Indie
« Last post by johnmichelle73 on 13/02/2019, 02:09 PM »
I am purchasing from reviews and hoping for the best.  No-one local has either of these machines, they seem to stick to La Marzocco here. I also found a San Remo Verona RS that I like. I absolutely need an auto-milk frother and would like the digital group head temperature controls and 15 to 20amp. We have the worst water in Qld here, I like the Indie because the water for the coffee is not sitting in the boiler, they tell me it comes from the mains and is pre-heated through the steam wand boiler.  I am still learning and very confused but would appreciate any feedback. A huge factor in my decision is servicing and repairing too, the Technicians here only fix the popular brands (La Marzocco, Expobar etc) because they don't know much about the aothers. I was also considering the Expobar Diamont or Expobar Onyx pro purely because they are easy to get parts for and a technician here could fix it quickly if I have any issues.
Have your say / Re: Descaler for aluminum boilers
« Last post by Ianmor on 13/02/2019, 10:40 AM »
This is the reply that I received from the manufacturer of tannin for aluminum boilers TGWT.
So your reply was spot on Brett.

Hello Ian,
Thanks for your interest in TGWT. Unfortunately, we are only working in the industrial arena. We do not have household size container. If you just purchased your coffee machine, we can give you the best trick, also applied on the industrial side. You have to get rid of hardness (calcium and magnesium) in the water you are going to poor in your coffee machine. If you get rid of hardness, you will avoid most of the scale. The small amount that will occur will be easily taken out with your citric acid. You can buy small cartridge that you put under your sink that will do the job. If you want to go a little further, you have to keep your pH between 7.0 to 8.0. Do not go over 8.0. By doing that, you should be able to keep it clean.


Best Regards,


Veronica Martin
Inside Sales Coordinator
Have your say / Re: Descaler for aluminum boilers
« Last post by Brett H on 12/02/2019, 10:12 PM »
Wow... welcome and what a great question and first post. These machines are in all honesty not supposed to last forever. That said, they are simple, reliable and effective. Hand on my heart if you use a commercially available espresso machine descaler solution you won’t degrade your boiler or really need to coat the inside with tannins which are prone to leech off the boiler wall pretty quickly I’d imagine in those transient conditions.

Now, if the boiler has a leak/weakness and scale is keeping it sealed up, you may cause more issues than you solve. If a machine works without issue tweaking it may only introduce problems that could well be avoided. Feed it good water and coffee for a few months and you may only need a head clean and group seal occasionally. Good luck!
Espresso Machines / Re: La Cimbali M100 versus Elektra Indie
« Last post by Brett H on 12/02/2019, 10:01 PM »
Wow... great machines. Will you get to play with them prior to purchase or is it an internet ‘click and pray’ arrangement?
Espresso Machines / La Cimbali M100 versus Elektra Indie
« Last post by johnmichelle73 on 11/02/2019, 01:35 PM »
I am looking at purchasing the Elektra Indie or La Cimbali M100, would anyone have any feedback for me please on these machines?
Have your say / Descaler for aluminum boilers
« Last post by Ianmor on 10/02/2019, 10:23 PM »
Greetings, my first post .

I have just recently purchased my first gaggia classic coffee machine. It is 16 years old and after reading all the numerous posts online I have managed to replace the pump and set the pressure using a gauge to 9.5 bar.
However after reading that citric acid as a descaler could cause pitting in the aluminium boiler I decided to do some research online for what could be a suitable cleaner.
After some research I have discovered that large scale aluminium boilers used for heating in applications such as schools or offices are treated with organic vegetable based tannin which apparently coats the aluminium preventing pitting and creates a much more effective heating surface.
More research discovers that tannin is contained in green tea or black tea
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If others on the forum would like to read the information provided in the above link I would appreciate feedback on whether they think that green or black tea would be a feasible descaling solution.... to be drawn into the Gaga classic aluminium boiler possibly as a descaler but also after descaling with citric acid I could then put a green tea solution through the machine that would coat the aluminium and make it safe from further pitting, improve it's heat exchange abilities and thereby also make it more safe for the consumer in keeping any aluminium compounds out of the coffee.Seems like it could be a simple viable solution.

Ian Morison
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