Breville's new dual boiler machine BES900

shape_shifter

...what the ones that he gave away 😉 Phil and Dave are both on CS regularly at the moment, in damage control trying to settle people down that can't get things to work.

Rider

UNM wrote:

But Phil never claimed he was going to post a video of the actual ScaceII test used in the factory, just that he would 'upload a video of a Scace during extraction'.

Okay... So he used a 'Scace' for his video. I reiterate, a Scace measures temp at puck... A Scace 2 measures temp AND pressure at puck... His video shows a 'Scace' (with lots of weird tubes haniging off it) and then the machine pressure gauge... Again I reiterate...where is the calibration? I fully concur with AM's summary, though... If you are in the process of promoting, distributing and selling (read that as educating the public) then the video is left wanting.

Brett_H

shape_shifter wrote:

...what the ones that he gave away 😉 Phil and Dave are both on CS regularly at the moment, in damage control trying to settle people down that can't get things to work.

I sometimes miss the CS BS when my schadenfreude levels ate a bit low. Next thing you know people will start realizing that a smart grinder is not better than a Rocky and HN will always beat small competitors pricing irrespective of matched wholesale pricing. People will also realize that great service and industry knowledge from the retailer is cold comfort if they are dissatisfied with a product that can't possibly live up to the marketing hype. I've seen and played with the darn things and they are great! But when I went home I almost hugged my own machinery. Was this smug self satisfaction? No... I was glad that I hadn't fallen for the marketing hype and as expected, my gear was in a different league. Very few products can stand up to a marketing push the likes of what we've all witnessed. Witnessed and loved it mind you! Those guys must have brass balls which is why they're successful! If they're machines aren't, it won't matter. They'll go onto the next thing and thus the wheels of consumerism will spin. If you've bought a BDB then love it, enjoy it and congratulations. If it doesn't do all that is promised or work well then log the problem with Breville and hold the bas.....ds accountable. Most importantly however, enjoy the journey... you are braver than me, are having a quite unique caffeinated journey that I and many others aren't privy to. And when you owners speak/post rest assured we'll all listen.

doublerizzy

Brett H wrote:

If you've bought a BDB then love it, enjoy it and congratulations. If it doesn't do all that is promised or work well then log the problem with Breville and hold the bas.....ds accountable. Most importantly however, enjoy the journey... you are braver than me, are having a quite unique caffeinated journey that I and many others aren't privy to. And when you owners speak/post rest assured we'll all listen.

Thanks brett H, I think my machine does live up to the hype and am very happy with the coffee.

admin

Hi dubbleR - great that you've managed to pick one up: would you like to give us all your impressions - eg first impressions after you got it set up on the bench, and then maybe how you've found it after a few days use? cheers A

Cuppacoffee

admin wrote:

Hi dubbleR - great that you've managed to pick one up: would you like to give us all your impressions - eg first impressions after you got it set up on the bench, and then maybe how you've found it after a few days use? cheers A

I'll vote for that!

Brett H wrote:

Very few products can stand up to a marketing push the likes of what we've all witnessed. Witnessed and loved it mind you! Those guys must have brass balls which is why they're successful!

Hi Brett Not sure if I should I be flattered. ;D I'm reminded that Barnum is quoted as saying, "there's no such thing as bad publicity". I'm not sure that I agree with that. I find it interesting though, that this thread may well be one of the most widely read on the forum, and seems to have solicited opinions from many people, few of whom have even seen the machine let alone used one. Now, if one happens to agree with Barnum, then contributing in any way to this thread, contributes to the hype. Double R: the machines are tested at point of production, not post production by Breville once they arrive in AU. Rider: The Scace type of device I saw them use was able to be connected to a Fluke and other hardware. Hence the 'weird tubes' you refer to. Forgive me if I defer my trust in Breville's Engineers rather than your observations. I'll leave it at that for now. Cheers Den

doublerizzy

A, I am reluctant to write anything at all here as much of the content above seems to be politics, not machines. Angermanagement: Was your remark above some sort of sarcasm? The machine is at the weekender as I have a more expensive Italian machine and grinder at home. My Breville is used with a mazzer doserless grinder. The coffee is really good and on par with my other machine but the steam is not as powerful. Cuppacoffee mentioned that it is long lasting and I agree. My father-in-law had not used an espresso machine and operated it with ease and loved his coffee. I am happy with the build quality of the machine and like the time clock to turn it on in the morning. Others stated that the gauge may be higher than 9Bar and mine is as well- 11.5 bar during extraction. I don't care as the coffee drinks well.

Koffee_Kosmo

dubblerizzy wrote:

My father-in-law had not used an espresso machine and operated it with ease and loved his coffee. I am happy with the build quality of the machine and like the time clock to turn it on in the morning. Others stated that the gauge may be higher than 9Bar and mine is as well- 11.5 bar during extraction. I don't care as the coffee drinks well.

Thats what its all about Dub-rizz (ps I like your forum name 8)) Its all about what makes ones taste buds dance I often post about Greek/Turkish coffee because I love it Its not to everyone's taste but this coffee style makes my taste buds dance And as a complete opposite thought between the electronic Breville and the direction my gaze is taking me towards a lever machine What machine do you have at home ? KK

Koffee_Kosmo

Muscles & Shape shifter I just got a wooden handle for my BZ40 and it feels like a new set of spunky mags on a car I would take AMs kind offer KK

RichardM

Koffee Kosmo wrote:

Muscles & Shape shifter I just got a wooden handle for my BZ40 and it feels like a new set of spunky mags on a car I would take AMs kind offer KK

Definitely do. I just modified AM's handle to fit my new Expobar. Just looks so much nicer - much more retro 🙂 and feels better in the hand. KK, I think SS already has hers.

Muscles

Hi dubblerizzy, I can't fault what ends up in the cup either. Have you altered any of the default settings on pre-infusion or temp? AM, it's all going well. I am drinking more coffee than ever! Using the VST 18g I've come to like dosing 21g and running 35ml over 37-40 seconds with the 7 second preinfusion, the gauge will stay at 11.5 during such an extraction. Texturing milk really is a breeze. Thanks for the offer with the PF handle, I'll be in touch and joining the Custom Wood by AM Club soon 😉

Brett_H

dubblerizzy wrote:

A, I am reluctant to write anything at all here as much of the content above seems to be politics, not machines.

Hi DL, That is exactly the reason you should write a review or at least outline you experiences good an indifferent. Due to the nature of the marketing campaign these threads were destined to become political hotbeds. How could they not be? This machine has not yet truly featured or stared in any of it's forum threads without moderation and site/sponsor intervention. It has played second fiddle to political posturing all along and unless the owners speak up that is where it will remain. You have a chance to do something the marketing campaign and resellers haven't yet accomplished... honestly feature the machine! AM said it right back in the beginning: if the BDB overcomes the Sunbeam's shortcomings it will be a winner. He and I were impressed (not trade in your HX's impressed but impressed none the less). But for the time being he and I remain happy voyers... So.. . Go on DL, please give us something to watch, on a forum where your remarkes won't be deleted if they are deemded "too politically incorrect!"

Rider

Cuppacoffee wrote:

Rider: The Scace type of device I saw them use was able to be connected to a Fluke and other hardware. Hence the 'weird tubes' you refer to. Forgive me if I defer my trust in Breville's Engineers rather than your observations. I'll leave it at that for now. Cheers Den

Cuppacoffee: My observations are based on what they decided to allow into their video: i.e. no 'other hardware'. Interesting that you got to see that 'other hardware' but we get to see the machine gauge only. I would imagine that you should also understand pressure loss down the line. I'll leave it at that for now. Cheers

shape_shifter

Brett H wrote:

So.. . Go on DL, please give us something to watch, on a forum where your remarkes won't be deleted if they are deemded "too politically incorrect!"

You know Brett, I'm a little disappointed that things went the way they did, I would have loved to have done a blog on the machine in home use (basically the same as what I'm doing with the EM6910), it's warts and all ;D I hope that people like DL do get on the forums and give everyone updated rundowns on how they are going.

shape_shifter

...wrong thread 😃

Brett_H

shape_shifter wrote:

...wrong thread 😃

But this is exactly what this tread needs... Only with the major competitor's machine instead. Oh well... I have holidays in a couple of weeks. Perhaps I can talk AM into revisiting Coffee Guy wit a video and 50 500w Fresnels for almost adequate lighting.

shape_shifter

Well if someone can supply me with a BDB I'll do a complete blog just on that as well ;D I always knew what I was planning on doing would be a huge benefit to everyone *shrugs*

Muscles

Okay I've decided to do a detailed ongoing home-user review on my tumblr account. So now we will have two resident reviewers for two great home machines 😉 I'll post review updates on here too and link back when I can...

shape_shifter

Yah, have linked yours to mine so people can get the best of both worlds in making their decisions 😃

Brett_H

shape_shifter wrote:

Yah, have linked yours to mine so people can get the best of both worlds in making their decisions 😃

Great stuff you guys! I liked AM's suggestion also but after his quip about me needing the training I was going to void his 'smart' grinder warranty by installing a few useful mods (read bonus confusion features)! All in all possibly an unproductive venture once I exact my revenge! ;D

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