This machine has evoked some strong reactions on forums, which is a bit bizarre. An enthusiast is trying to offer a better machine for a niche market, (something many here are very interested in) and many internet warriors have sought to belittle it at prototype stage. To me, it seems stupid, especially when they constantly beat their chests and repeatedly pat themselves on their back as to how much their own actions are promoting coffee excellence. Each to their own, but there is no such thing as bad publicity. The more this machine is "discussed" the greater the scope for market penetration by the manufacturer. Who knows, favourable comments might come without the need for site sponsorship. :stir Anyway, I just have to add: In a Fugly green forum, far, far away The Evil Gimli had been heard to say Thou image is too much to bear You must hide it, ...behind mountains of hair With deep seated passion Mighty CAPITALS were brought to bear Fair maidens gathered their skirts And joined forces in the lair. You cannot but wonder at the cause, Of words usually reserved for whores, Had he glimpsed his own reflection, When seeking strong words to say, Or was it the mere mention of this forum, And ...its superior minds at play.