Hi Kelsey, I think we're both in agreement, and I'm sorry if my post came across as an attack on your viewpoint - it read a little bit like that when I re-read it. I totally agree with what you were saying, but your post was the easiest one to use as a prop for my points, which is based around the whole "we assume people are decent and don't have an agenda, so when they do, the whole game changes". You're right that shoddy journalism (not reporting all the facts in an unbiased and complete manner) is responsible here, and while the cafe owner may well have been out of line, this whole 'loose boobs' phenomenon (great name for it) is unfortunately pretty prevelent right now in Newtown. While I guess some people love this, I find that for me, the objective pinnacle of beauty for me is subjective - it's however my wife looks that day. I still find it a bit weird that people in Newtown can be heard commenting "ooh, look at her tits, aren't they great/saggy/small/huge/etc" when someone is breastfeeding - but they can and are. As you say, either position is a bit undefensible. Reminds me of the phrase "there's nothing to see here - please move along"... there's usually something to see, but only of interest if you're wired a certain way.