I totally take your point FC but seeing as though her budget is $600 dollars its the only way i can see her getting her hands on a Silvia which really is the best machine for her situation. (IMO) the two suppliers i mentioned do provide good after sales re parts etc. I give advice daily in my company, on the phone, in person and on the net and really its just goodwill. I dont expect any business from it, because people shop around for the best price. I quote daily, they then take my quote and fax it elsewhere. I give up worrying about it now. I like you provide advice, but on the internet it is given with zero expectation of a return, if I get the job great but i really dont expect anything in this day and age, I hope they come to me for quality...but like you they usually return for after service when I lost the profit part of the job. and then i tell them to go to the supplier that gave them the great price. the curse of window shopping quotes, and the reason most people use the net, information and price shopping. But honestly I agree with you, i just try and pass on what i know now, all you can do is pass on your opinion. the link to the silvia is the the website so i hope she uses it. cheers ryan