Thanks for the info. It is hard to buy a machine when one hears so many thoughts on the matter. Coffee seems more complex than wine - almost! I have looked at the Sunbeam and it looks good, although I believe there were some technical difficulties when first released which I gues they have now sorted. The Breville 800 class alos looks good. Trouble is once purchased, your stuck with it - so I guess I just have to take the plunge and swim in my own coffee. Thanks. 😉