Londinium I Lever Espresso Machine

derrilex

on 1347061194:

For me it's the same issue. Running cables in a 2 story house is a nightmare because all the sparkies want to run conduit outside because it's easy!  Looks awful though, and then there is the issue with our island bench where my coffee machine is! That's fine if you also have space in your powerboard for more circuit breakers.  (3phase power, 21Kw aircon, power, lighting, solar etc fills it up quick)  Mine has one space left!  I'm going to have to get my sparky over for a chat I think.  It doesn't help that when sparkies build a house they tack the exiting cables and drill tiny holes.  You can't even pull though additional cables and I don't want to start ripping out plasterboard!

Conduit on the outside is par for the course. You cant see it from inside the house anyway  :laugh: Sounds like you need a new switch board Lacehim. Cheap as, $ 1500 or so  :rofl: Thats what you get for building on the ground. :stir

SniffCoffee

2400w still seems like a massive element to me, not sure the extra 350w would make a huge difference, it seems most HX machines only have a 1300w element, so the recovery time should be pretty quick, especially considering it's a decent size boiler too?

Lwowiak

on 1347061649:

IMNSHO, Aussies (and kiwis) should get the 2400 watt version, plug it in and enjoy. KISS Also when upgrade time comes, will be easier to sell a 10 amp machine.

Very good advice. My Bosco has a 6Litre boiler and a 2400W element. It takes 15 minutes to heat the water in the boiler to full pressure. For a much smaller boiler, going above 2400W is overkill. This is for domestic use. People wanting warm up times under 10 minutes should look in the appliance section.  :stir

Paolo5

As a point of reference, if the 2800W (I assume...yeah...I know) model takes 3.5 minutes to get the boiler pressure up to full steam from cold, can any of you physics geeks work out how much longer it would take the 2400W heater to do the same?  :pan

lespresso

2400/2800 = approx 85% = 85/100 if you take the reciprocal = 100/85 which is about 18% longer 3.5 minutes = 210 seconds 1.18 x 210 = 250 seconds approx = 4minutes 10 seconds so as you can see the issue is not significant in terms of heating from cold the benefit is recovery time , which hits you again & again if you are using the machine to make multiple drinks, esp if drawing off water having said that the 2400W element is still pretty quick, and the whole reason we are offering as an option for 10A markets is so it is plug and play

Paolo5

Thankyou Reiss...that puts it into perspective for me.

conikal

First prototype pic .. ??

Seeya Latte

Wow that drip tray looks HUGE, Reiss is definitely a maverick....broken away from tradition and opted for a plunge pool instead Sorry if it's been covered already but what's the official capacity of the tray?

kofekitt

on 1347502747:

Wow that drip tray looks HUGE, Reiss is definitely a maverick....broken away from tradition and opted for a plunge pool instead Sorry if it's been covered already but what's the official capacity of the tray?

1.5 Litre,machine is going to be 550mm deep, i know some people struggle to accommodate the Vibiemmes because they're 530mm deep, at 550 there's no way this will fit on my bench, especially with legs positioned so close to the corners.I guess it was necessary to stop the tipping over, plus having a tank on-board

conikal

1.5 L  drip tray is not unusual... my Isomac  holds more than that ! but on a lever m/c that doesn't need a big "cooling" flush routine,..then it is more than enough.

Seeya Latte

on 1347503227:

1.5 Litre,machine is going to be 550mm deep, i know some people struggle to accommodate the Vibiemmes because they're 530mm deep, at 550 there's no way this will fit on my bench, especially with legs positioned so close to the corners.I guess it was necessary to stop the tipping over, plus having a tank on-board

Thanks Kofekitt (although I just noticed...it was mentioned on pg4  :doh:) No problems if it's going on an island bench but even with people who have 600mm deep bench tops (which is the standard I believe here in AU for new kitchens) it'll be a snug fit when you allow for power cord clearance between the back of machine and wall.

Brett H

I had a Tassie Oak bench/draws made to go the length of the back of my kitchen.  It fits whatever machine I want, and the outlook over the garden is fabulous... when I clean the window  :pan  When you consider the price of these machines and the fact that many consider them functional art it seems a shame to shoe-horn them into a kitchen that isn't designed to take them.  Think of Borat's picture of his machine in his living space over there in Dubai, a centerpiece of lovliness that lifts the room.  I'm not saying don't buy one if you have a kitchen with limited space and opportunities... on the contrary... find/convert/build a space in your home where you can enjoy these beautiful things in all their glory without the better half wishing you had become interested Tea leaves every time she burns herself on the group-head grating carrots!

Ol Grumpy

I'm not a particularly religious man but I'm guilty of developing a coffee obsession... With a grinder called 'Pharos' And the top shot called 'God'... Well I reckon every home should have a shrine and all who enter should pay homage and grind at the Altar of the great mystic...  :Caffeine :bring it on

Kelsey

If we were staying in this apartment the plan was to create a coffee shrine in the living space. As we'll be moving soon we'll just have to see.

derrilex

on 1347515290:

I had a Tassie Oak bench/draws made to go the length of the back of my kitchen.  It fits whatever machine I want, and the outlook over the garden is fabulous... when I clean the window  :pan  When you consider the price of these machines and the fact that many consider them functional art it seems a shame to shoe-horn them into a kitchen that isn't designed to take them.  Think of Borat's picture of his machine in his living space over there in Dubai, a centerpiece of lovliness that lifts the room.  I'm not saying don't buy one if you have a kitchen with limited space and opportunities... on the contrary... find/convert/build a space in your home where you can enjoy these beautiful things in all their glory without the better half wishing you had become interested Tea leaves every time she burns herself on the group-head grating carrots!

Your kitchen is very roomy Brett. You could fit a 4 group in there no probs & still see the turkeys  :D

Ol Grumpy

:Turkeys? Is that out the back or lined up at the front door... Empty cup in hand?

Lwowiak

Reiss, Given that Londinium II and III will be line fed, will this ever be an option for the Londinium I? In other words, will you offer a plumbed in version? By the way, the prototype looks good. It certainly looks solid and stable. I am curious as to the customisations you will offer. :thumb:

derrilex

on 1347527584:

:Turkeys? Is that out the back or lined up at the front door... Empty cup in hand?

Bit of both. Brett loves the way the feathered ones sculpt his yard  :rofl:

lespresso

Lwowiak We've addressed this point in some detail on our blog already, and also further up the page here In short, we will offer a mains plumb kit for L1, but it will connect before the pump i.e. the pump will still be in the circuit & still function this ensures the machine works if your mains water pressure isn't adequate Reiss.

Brett H

on 1347532629:

Bit of both. Brett loves the way the feathered ones sculpt his yard  :rofl:

Yes... Love... I'm thinking one of the customisations could be a bronze scrub turkey akin to the bezzera and pavoni eagles.  I'll provide working models for those interested.  Seriously the customisations will be very exciting.  I can see why big companies don't do this, it just isn't worth thir while but Londium I reckon are onto a bespoke winner especially when clients could potentially have a one-off if there are enough options.  :thumb:

Lwowiak

on 1347534235:

Lwowiak We've addressed this point in some detail on our blog already, and also further up the page here In short, we will offer a mains plumb kit for L1, but it will connect before the pump i.e. the pump will still be in the circuit & still function this ensures the machine works if your mains water pressure isn't adequate Reiss.

Thanks Reiss, I must have missed the discussion.

Lwowiak

This machine has evoked some strong reactions on forums, which is a bit bizarre. An enthusiast is trying to offer a better machine for a niche market, (something many here are very interested in) and many internet warriors have sought to belittle it at prototype stage. To me, it seems stupid, especially when they constantly beat their chests and repeatedly pat themselves on their back as to how much their own actions are promoting coffee excellence. Each to their own, but there is no such thing as bad publicity. The more this machine is "discussed" the greater the scope for market penetration by the manufacturer. Who knows, favourable comments might come without the need for site sponsorship. :stir Anyway, I just have to add: In a Fugly green forum, far, far away The Evil Gimli had been heard to say Thou image is too much to bear You must hide it, ...behind mountains of hair With deep seated passion Mighty CAPITALS were brought to bear Fair maidens gathered their skirts And joined forces in the lair. You cannot but wonder at the cause, Of words usually reserved for whores, Had he glimpsed his own reflection, When seeking strong words to say, Or was it the mere mention of this forum, And ...its superior minds at play.

Ol Grumpy

Well I don't know quite what to say... But that was bloody fantastic!!!

hiphipharar

on 1347588925:

This machine has evoked some strong reactions on forums, which is a bit bizarre.

Yeah, clever prose but I would be more careful about what you say online these days. We all know which forum you are referring to and some of us here are happy to be a participant of both. Note that the poster you alluded to did not single out this forum; the comments were restricted to the machine. I don't think we should get into an Us vs Them situation.

Lwowiak

on 1347596517:

Note that the poster you alluded to did not single out this forum; the comments were restricted to the machine. I don't think we should get into an Us vs Them situation.

The comments were made about the machine, after a post had inferred reference to another forum. The comments were viewed as a vicious and unwarranted attack, which brings to mind the question...WHY? The topic of the thread was to guess the name of the machine, not post an opinion on how it looked. Obviously there is a bit more behind the sentiment than is apparent in the post. Any link or mention to this forum is deleted. Any reference to other forums such as Home-Barista end up with the words "bull". This is despite the wealth of espresso knowledge on that site. To me the issue is the perceived "filtering" of information posted. Many on the site could benefit from reading articles on HB about espresso, but the links are deleted. The BDB thread is a classic example, the people there need a reference point. Quite simply this behaviour, in my mind is reminiscent of Stalin. Hence the poetic verse was inspired. If it offends, blame it on this: http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/11/13803333-documents-us-uk-hushed-up-soviet-massacre-of-22000-poles-in-wwii?lite I do not like the visual aspect of a green forum and was evoked to reiterate a recently used adjective. No Us vs Them situation. :thumb: I will concur that my wife says I am a smart-ass and can be linguistically cunning (and vice versa) :stir

hiphipharar

Well you are perhaps reading more into those comments than I did. I'll leave it at that. The Londinium is not the first machine to have been picked apart before it has even hit the market. The Breville BES900 comes to mind. The L1 may be fair game though if there are claims that the yet-to-be-released machine is better than machine X (which it may compete with). The problem isn't so much with the claim but the inference that machine X isn't up to the job. e.g. A: My Ferrari is faster than your Lamborghini. B: How dare you knock my Lambo.

Seeya Latte

Yeah I'm a little bit with Hip on this... I personally didn't read too much into it, to me it came across as a certain CS owner just using his own forum to express his opinion on the look of the prototype...I mean...we can, why not him?  And I agree.... no Us/Them sheet please... some still play in both sandpits

Lacehim

Lets keep this on topic guys.  This topic is about the Londinium I lever, not a bitching session about other forums. Here's a piccy of the back of the machine. It's hard to comment on the design/look considering it's covered with plastic so I'll be waiting on the final reveal. In regards to the element issue, I wonder if the 1400W element is an option for us Aussies?  It's only a 2lt boiler, and currently my lusso would boil that much water with a 1000W element.  How long would it take to heat a group head that big, and would it still be stable.  I seriously think a 2000W element would be tripping my power alot if someone turns on the toaster at the same time as the element kicks in. I see from the blog they are now powdercoating the interior to Zintec which is a galvanised sheet metal product.  I like the polished looking boiler idea, but it's hard to image what it will look like with a dark interior.  Surely you want to show it off, nice and bright?  I hope with all these add ons that they can stay on budget with the basic model, and offer these add ons individually for customised machines.

Lwowiak

The BES900 was picked apart because of certain claims by Jedward. They claimed it would be a GS slayer. I had to research what they meant by this, as I thought they were making references to some mythical creature. :doh: The L1 in essence is a machine based on the Bosco. Someone liked the coffee from it, looked at it and said: How can I make this smaller and more suitable to the domestic market???? I applaud Reiss for his efforts, as I have looked at my machine and had similar thoughts. The difference is that Reiss has followed through on his idea. Testosterone fueled car (or appendage) comparisons are normal, and should be treated with humour.  :stir I believe the real issue at heart is that the L1 will be a GREY import, and therefore many will have to Tiptoe through the Tulips. Too much has been said in the green dimension about the pitfalls of importing, and this product may just disprove certain claims and open up a whole new can of worms.

Lwowiak

on 1347605487:

I see from the blog they are now powdercoating the interior to Zintec which is a galvanised sheet metal product.  I like the polished looking boiler idea, but it's hard to image what it will look like with a dark interior.  Surely you want to show it off, nice and bright?  I hope with all these add ons that they can stay on budget with the basic model, and offer these add ons individually for customised machines.

It would be nice if you can also add or change the look of the machine, further down the track. Buy the base model, and then change panels etc when it suits.