wanting to buy ECM-A1 or giotto?

Joseph

Dear CREMA PEOPLE,

GREAT WEBSITE, CONGRATULATIONS...

PEOPLE WHO LOVE COFFEE AND ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT. A RARITY.

SOMETIMES COFFEE IS LIKE A WINE PARTY, LOTS OF SO CALLED EXPERTS, WHO THINK THEY KNOW IT ALL. HERE MEMBERS ACTUALLY WORK IN THE INDUSTRY AND DO KNOW. FANTASTIC. I WISH THE PRINT JOURNOS WOULD CONSULT YOU ALL BEFORE WRITING LATTE LOVE STORIES.

I SEE FROM BEING PUT ONTO THIS WEBSITE FROM SOME FRIENDS IT HAS THE MACHINE I WANT ON DISPLAY UNDER FOR SALE SECTION.

now my question.....

ECM. It is for my office, we have twenty or so staff and will leave it on all day. Mostly capps and lattes.

After i read up on the ECM machines and seeing my friend has an ECM giotto premium which I love its the machine I want. Looks as well... thats the brand we want.

Looked at lots others like the dia on the site but ECM reputation, spare parts and especially looks for similar price I dont think you can go past them. I think some of the pro machines around including rancilo etc are quite ugly. Seeing as they are furniture and cost a lot Im surprised they dont get a makeover. I understand looks dont matter to some as they all do the job under the hood but im maybe in the minority that looks matter and the stainless steel is faultless on the ECM.

A QUESTION TO OTHERS. SEEING THE ECM IS POLISHED STAINLESS STEEL, WHY DOESNT IT RUST EVENTUALLY. ?? HAS IT GOT A CLEAR LAQUER ON IT. ?? i had a grinder once in polished stainless steel and it started to specle rust. i was told satin didnt rust but polished can so whats their secret at ECM ????

Can I laquer my stainless grinder ????

My question to anyone here on forum, what is the benifit of the ECM A1 veneziano over the giotto premium, i would much prefer the A1 for the dual guages and looks, which are the best i think i have seen in an expresso machine.... But whats under the covers extra from the Giotto premium for another 1200 dollars or so. (beside electronic panel)

a bigger frame. ??????

can it make more coffees in a quicker time space. Is it more powerful as such. I assume being bigger the answer is yes. We intend to hard plumb it in the office. The electronics are a plus as other staff will use it.

Shall drop in for a look in the three weeks or so but want to get my facts right when ordering.

thanks to the crema readers and administrator

joseph

Filterman

Joseph I suggest you contact john@coffeetraining.com He sells the ECM A1 and Giotto. Earlier this week he demonstated both machines for me. I am considering the Giotto with a Mini Mazzer grinder for my domestic use. Brad

john_2

Joseph Welcome to the Crema Forum. As a contributor your opening comments are most welcome. I have the ECM machines on the for sale section. I am a recognised distributor. We also ship nationally. For a situation for what you have described, with multiple users, I would suggest the Veneziano A1. The Giotto would easily cope with 20 or 30 coffees per day, however, your situation may be closer to commercial than domestic. The A1 has a larger boiler 2.5 L as compared to 1.8 L on the Giotto. A1 also has better steam capabilities. The A1 also has a drain tube for the drip tray and comes complete with the plumbing attachment. Of note the A1 has a 10 amp plug, so no added wiring is necessary. The Giotto has manual extraction. The A1 has 3 programmable buttons and a manual button. Under the covers the most noticable difference is the rotary pump. Giotto has a vibrating pump. Having used both side by side, I do not believe that there are any major differences in the quality of the espresso or the quality of the steam for the milk texturing. If you need further info please contact me. With regard to making coffees faster, the answer is no. It still takes the same amount of time to extract an espresso whether you use the A1 or the Giotto. You may find it easier to texture a larger volume of milk on the A1. I usually have one of each available and working on the bench for comparison. Of course, if you are considering either machine, then I suggest that you look into the addition of a robust quality grinder. On the rust of the stainless steel. There are different grades. Some will rust or spot as you mentioned. You may be able to polish your grinder and then lacquer as you said. However, it may or not not work. Joseph, which state are you in????? John