Gee, an honest review?

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No worries. 🙂 I trust that request applies to all members and earlier derogatory posts will also be examined.

admin

yes mate, will look through and one of mods will modify as necessary. A

askthecoffeeguy

looks like a tricked up Gaggia Classic with build quality to match - and while it might be more heavily spec'd I for one would be reluctant to part with my hard earned for what looks like not a great deal of pulling power - for my money I'd be looking at a second hand single group commercial machine in good nick, or even the trusty sunbeam cafe series, which has it's detractors I know, but at least it looks the part and you can steam milk and pull shots at the same time...

Koffee_Kosmo

I looked at single boiler machines like the Silvia and quickly past over them to a HX Now I know that people are on a budget and can see the attraction but in my opinion its false economy In most cases I can make better coffee in an Ibrik, but I have had 45 years experience An IbriK costs $20 or less and the resale value is good KK

E61

For me, a new owner review also carries little weight

Some of us are painfully aware of that Chris.... but it seems to me you have been happy to use new owner review/ comment / feedback / opinion when it comes to machinery you have included in your range? I think you need to give users some credit. I find that people are now more informed about machinery than they have ever been. Because there are far more options than ever before owners research much more than they ever did, they come to forums to ask questions, (sadly only to be discounted sometimes by industry personalities) they collect data and analyse specs and they test machinery before they make a final decision. Surely a new owner should be paid the courtesy of acknowledging that their opinion has merit and worth?

askthecoffeeguy

E61 wrote:

For me, a new owner review also carries little weight

Surely a new owner should be paid the courtesy of acknowledging that their opinion has merit and worth?

If you look at Coffeegeek a substantial amount of the machinery reviews there are generated by enthusiastic owners of new machines, who still seem quiet capable of pointing out defects in the machine To me a new owner review generates a starting point for discussion, and subsequent reviews tend to be better detailed, and or the new owner can make more informed comments later down the line (three months later / one year later) etc Why shouldn't the owner of a new machine share the excitement of their purchase? Coffee is a passionate subject and I encourage to share their enthusiasm! P

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Hi Matt, It's noble. It really is, however when you have a case of an owner of a new or near new machine who waxes lyrical and then moves on soon after, you have to question what went wrong? On the other side of the fence here is a WA bloke- Cooper. He got a new mondiale and loved it. Soon after he realised he didn't like it at all. I spent countless hours on the phone with him remote diagnosing and trying to help him modify the machine so it doesn't require a massive flush and produce and acceptable result, all to little avail. There are many stories like this. You buy a machine, then your numbers come up so you grab a Synesso/Speedster/Nameyourupgrade? That I get. You buy an "X" and sell it in the not too distant future to buy a similar machine of a different brand... ??? @ Pat- share the passion, definitely. Also be honest if you're coming from nowhere, but hoping to go somewhere. There are plenty of long time espresso machinery users who sadly really can't tell the difference between good and awful. Many of them would benefit from a little research in appropriate forums and/or some training.. 😉

Dry_bean

E61 wrote:

For me, a new owner review also carries little weight

Some of us are painfully aware of that Chris.... but it seems to me you have been happy to use new owner review/ comment / feedback / opinion when it comes to machinery you have included in your range? I think you need to give users some credit. I find that people are now more informed about machinery than they have ever been. Because there are far more options than ever before owners research much more than they ever did, they come to forums to ask questions, (sadly only to be discounted sometimes by industry personalities) they collect data and analyse specs and they test machinery before they make a final decision. Surely a new owner should be paid the courtesy of acknowledging that their opinion has merit and worth?

Welcome to the forum E61, excellent first post, I agree with your sentiments. ;D

Vinitasse

chrisen wrote:

There are plenty of long time espresso machinery users who sadly really can't tell the difference between good and awful.

Just might define a decent sized share of the target market for shiny new, and yet to be released, sub $1500 machines

Lacehim

Great review there. Nice sense of humour thrown in.... Loved the cup warmer comments... Personally I can't comment on the machine and I've always turned folk towards the Lelit/Silvia range to start out. While not perfect they are a proven investment for a newbie. I haven't seen any second hand Gees sold as yet. A little OT I know but I do go on about the "investment" part here and there. I think it's good for a newbie to buy a machine and be able to sell it a few months/years later when they upgrade and recoup a substantial part of the money they put in. The machines are good for many more reliable years use. Other mass marketed machines seem to last a few years and then contribute to landfill. Not good for the owner (hip pocket) or the environment.

Dry_bean

Lacehim wrote:

Personally I can't comment on the machine and I've always turned folk towards the Lelit/Silvia range to start out. While not perfect they are a proven investment for a newbie. I haven't seen any second hand Gees sold as yet. A little OT I know but I do go on about the "investment" part here and there. I think it's good for a newbie to buy a machine and be able to sell it a few months/years later when they upgrade and recoup a substantial part of the money they put in. The machines are good for many more reliable years use. Other mass marketed machines seem to last a few years and then contribute to landfill. Not good for the owner (hip pocket) or the environment.

When I bought the Bezzera 18 months ago I sold my well maintained 9year old Silvia for $450, just short of the original purchase price, the new owner tells me its still going strong. 😉

grahamh

there are honest reviews and other reviews like the reviews ive read on the new breville grinder and there new coffee machine written buy people associated with the product or marketing, or friends and family of such, or people trying to make money on selling the products

beanflying

Spin is a wonderful thing. Usual thing with anything you read on the net is have the BS filter fitted which weighs comments made knowing who is selling or has an interest in seeing it sold and or owns said product and only sees the rosy side of it. Not seeing negative comments about a product should trigger alarm bells as NO machine/car/device made of any type is perfect so it is only proper to talk about any niggles. On the Gee thing put it into the category of a Tweakable tank like 6910 Sunbeam for performance. So good shots and OK steam.

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