I'm sorry if the following sounds like a rant, but here goes. Personally, I'm getting sick of hearing people on this site complaining about people and policies on other sites. I don't think that there's anything to be gained either individually, or for this site, by constantly having a go at other sites (whether that criticism is justified or not). This is a coffee forum, to talk about coffee and coffee related things. It is not a review site for other web sites. If you've had a bad experience on another site, I'm sorry to hear that, but lets not keep opening old wounds by dredging up bad memories. Lets leave the past just there, in the past. We're not going to move forward as a site if all we ever do is bag other sites. I also think that if other sites put up threads and posts criticising this site, people here would be peed off, and rightly so. I'm overjoyed to see you here where we can share our passion and knowledge of coffee, without judgement or unjustified criticism. "A strong tree will not grow from a poisoned seed". I don't know if that is a fair dinkum quote, but it sounds philosophical and seems topical. To answer the question in the original post, Angermanagement is here, and we're glad to have him here. I don't think there's anything to be gained by continuing down the path that this thread is going down. I think it should be locked down. End of rant. All the best, Steve