What am I tasting?

Brett_H

Bloody brilliant effort mate! What were the beans and was it the old Tempo/Kmart faithful?

WotB

Popper roasts will always tend to be 'brighter' than slower methods. Stick with it.

Kelsey

Brett H wrote:

Bloody brilliant effort mate! What were the beans and was it the old Tempo/Kmart faithful?

You'd have to tell me - they were your greens! 😃 I can't actually recall what you said they were - but Jus is loving them in Milk, even as they are. And yep, was with your Kmart popper - would you be terribly upset if I widened the air vents a little? Thanks WotB - It's certainly an interesting flavour, just a bit strong, looking forward to trying them again in a few days.

shape_shifter

The first time I ever roasted the Kenya Kagongo Peaberry was with the popper in basically unmodified version, the roast was fairly quick, I think all up only about 7 minutes and the result was an espresso that literally 'popped' in your mouth, was very fruity, it was incredible, I raved about it on CS... ...problem, I have never been able to repeat it, I still love the bean the way I now roast it but I'd love to be able to get that fruity result again, I think I might have to play with a really short hot roast and see what happens. I'm still waiting to see what the stretched roast is like, I'm hoping the taste might be back. My conclusion, love what you are getting now as you may never taste it again 😃

Brett_H

Kelsey wrote:

You'd have to tell me - they were your greens! 😃 I can't actually recall what you said they were - but Jus is loving them in Milk, even as they are. And yep, was with your Kmart popper - would you be terribly upset if I widened the air vents a little? Thanks WotB - It's certainly an interesting flavour, just a bit strong, looking forward to trying them again in a few days.

Go to it big guy! Just promise you won't do anything electrically dangerous and you can do what you want.... I'd hate to have to answer to AM!!

Kelsey

I'm dangerous enough just shaping wood - wouldn't want to try anything with a risk of death through clumsiness. And certainly wouldn't want to risk AM's wrath! No, I thought that rather than disassembling the popper I'd just try and widen them with a bit of good old fashioned leverage. Might lengthen the roast times just a little more. Shape_Shifter.... I keep hearing peaberry and I'm intrigued!

shape_shifter

Am I allowed to do this? Delete if it's not allowed, brain isn't working well to remember at present. Kelsey here is the thread from CS http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1298352793 mainly full of my ravings 😃

coffeehorse

You sound like you're saying it's 'too bright' for your tastes. Degassing will mute this a little, you could leave the beans out if you want to 'stale' them faster? Could also dose down and maybe grind a little finer. best, CH.

Kelsey

I've left it for today and yesterday so hopefully tomorrow I'll have a more palatable experience in the cup. Damn those peaberries sound good tho...

askthecoffeeguy

Kelsey wrote:

I've left it for today and yesterday so hopefully tomorrow I'll have a more palatable experience in the cup. Damn those peaberries sound good tho...

so what was the result of leaving the beans for a few days? If I'm in desperate need of a caffeine hit and all I have is freshly roasted beans then I tend to leave the beans hout for an hour or two post-roast, before bagging them - to allow them to degas a bit Likewise at work if my coffee has for some reason only got 4 or 5 days post roast on it, I tend to open the bag half an hour before I intend to use it - that and I have eliminated Sumatran and Columbian coffees from the blend - as I reckon these need ten days post roast to do milk based coffees justice... P

Kelsey

It was better, but still far too grassy and bright for my taste. Since doing a few more smaller roasts I've come to the conclusion that it's the method - a mostly unmodified popper roasts too fast to allow the flavour to properly develop. I couldn't get more than 7 minutes at most to SC. Having had Brett's KKTO roasted beans, which are (as ShapeShifter will attest) a special kind of awesome, I've come to the conclusion that the method is probably only suitable to:

Regions cool enough to extend the time
The right type of beans for shorter roasts
Ridiculously souped-up poppers :thumb:

Which is why I'm now building a KKTO.

Brett_H

askthe coffeeguy wrote:

so what was the result of leaving the beans for a few days? If I'm in desperate need of a caffeine hit and all I have is freshly roasted beans then I tend to leave the beans hout for an hour or two post-roast, before bagging them - to allow them to degas a bit Likewise at work if my coffee has for some reason only got 4 or 5 days post roast on it, I tend to open the bag half an hour before I intend to use it - that and I have eliminated Sumatran and Columbian coffees from the blend - as I reckon these need ten days post roast to do milk based coffees justice... P

I'm 94.3% sure that the beans were Mexican Finca. They don't tend to be at their best immediately post roast. I don't let my beans 'breath' as such... but don't tend to let aged wine breath too much either. I prefer as opposed to letting them breath giving them mouth to mouth! I do have the luxury of not having a line of customers out the door and working in g and ml as opposed to Kg and L! I do have a wonderful temperament for service industries however managing to bottle my rage for 99% of the time before that 1% tips me over the edge and I destroy 100% of the patronage. That's good right...?

Kelsey

I definitely didn't do them justice. I'm still crying over not being able to have more of your special Finca 'surprise' roast.

Brett_H

Kelsey wrote:

I definitely didn't do them justice. I'm still crying over not being able to have more of your special Finca 'surprise' roast.

Was that the surprise roast that almost killed ya smart grinder? OOPSie! Surprise... an early upgrade!

Kelsey

Exactly! :coffee2:

shape_shifter

I'm tasting chocolate and cocoa at present. Brett did the same blend two different ways, KKTO and Behmor, the difference is like chalk and cheese, incredible. The Behmor is a chocolate surprise, the surprise is that there is no chocolate, smooth and rich. The KKTO is cocoa with a bite, or the other way around really, you get the bite and then the cocoa which stays with you. Which one do I like the best? I think it would depend on my mood to what type of coffee I was wanting, sometimes I really do want something with a kick and other times I just want something that will slide over the tongue. I'm amazed at the difference the roaster makes. Now after all of this I might be willing to try out AM's MM 😃

Brett_H

shape_shifter wrote:

I'm tasting chocolate and cocoa at present. Brett did the same blend two different ways, KKTO and Behmor, the difference is like chalk and cheese, incredible. The Behmor is a chocolate surprise, the surprise is that there is no chocolate, smooth and rich. The KKTO is cocoa with a bite, or the other way around really, you get the bite and then the cocoa which stays with you. Which one do I like the best? I think it would depend on my mood to what type of coffee I was wanting, sometimes I really do want something with a kick and other times I just want something that will slide over the tongue. I'm amazed at the difference the roaster makes. Now after all of this I might be willing to try out AM's MM 😃

Hi SS, You're absolutely spot on with your descriptors (according to my tastes anyway). The KKTO agitator that I have isn't mixing the beans as consistenly as the Behmor does, therefore there is some... admittedly small variation between beans. I actually really like the KKTO outcome but then I like really dark chocolate. I am so glad I decided to send you two of the same roast from different roasters. This is one of the joys of home roasting for me. Also, it's a great validation of the addage that you should try before you buy... whether it be machine, grinder or roaster. The taste variations can be huge.

Kelsey

Brett, don't suppose you could post a shot of your agitator setup?

Brett_H

Love to but won't get near it for a day or two due to work. A nut screws onto the wiper motor shaft; a socket goes on the nut a shaft made from a filed down BBQ rotisserie rod connects to 2 BBq rotisserie pronged attachments. Ta Da! Pictures in a day or two.

Koffee_Kosmo

Brett H wrote:

Love to but won't get near it for a day or two due to work. A nut screws onto the wiper motor shaft; a socket goes on the nut a shaft made from a filed down BBQ rotisserie rod connects to 2 BBq rotisserie pronged attachments. Ta Da! Pictures in a day or two.

To keep this thread on topic please post your photos on this thread http://www.bestcafes.com.au/forum/projects-rebuilds/kkto-home-build/25/ KK