Breville's new dual boiler machine BES900

ajst2duk · November 2011

I'm talking pressure on the dial obviously so I'm picking it's not that far away from 9 at the puck --- I am here: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=-33.861505,151.208176

shape_shifter · November 2011

It can actually be a long way in taste though. Mine is set to 10, I consistently get 9 during extraction. I have to say though that I was able to get 9 during extraction before it was adjusted as well, I'm just that good :rofl:

beanflying · November 2011

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Hihi - I was waiting for someone to ask me this - mine is 000001 - the first off production line I believe - hi crema forum - AJ

Welcome along

. You nearly didn't get in here at all as your IP address had SPAMMER written all over it including being linked with known ones

I am assuming you are trying to hide your IP address in some fashion so don't be surprised if you have problems trying to join or register elsewhere on the net. With the pressure on the OPV while it may taste fine where it is unless you try it at a different point your never going to know if it could be better (and it will be). As I have mentioned elsewhere and before gauges fitted to the front of this sort of machine are not that accurate either but they are a good guide for repeatability. Best thing is suck it and see your taste buds are more accurate.

ajst2duk · November 2011

No nothing to hide with the IP address thingy? That's news to me !! I might PM to get some further info. I will look at the OPV issue at some point - being reasonably handy I thought I would probably do it myself but I admit to thinking that I would wait and see if all the fuss was a red herring. As always there is a wealth of info to learn in this hobby which is good as I love tinkering and experimenting - thanks --- I am here: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=-33.860300,151.212504

shape_shifter · November 2011

It's definitely not a red herring. I left mine as is for a little bit to see what was happening, after adjustment there is such a difference in the cup, and probably the other changes I've made. If you want to see the 'wrong' way to adjust your OPV you can check out my website :D

ajst2duk · November 2011

So there is more than one way to skin a Breville !! Having just replaced the logic board in our 6910 I suspect this will be easy peasy --- I am here: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=-33.705801,151.129236

ajst2duk · November 2011

So I'm wondering if with a bit of patience - a dremel - and some otherwise unproductive time to kill, whether I would be able to parley a sunbeam 6910 portafilter into a naked for the Breville. I tried the fitting which is very close?

shape_shifter · November 2011

I definitely won't be doing that, I'm still planning on sending you mine AM, wish Breville would hurry up and offer replacement PFs.

ajst2duk · November 2011

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So I'm wondering if with a bit of patience - a dremel - and some otherwise unproductive time to kill, whether I would be able to parley a sunbeam 6910 portafilter into a naked for the Breville. I tried the fitting which is very close?

Bad idea - there is just enough difference to make it a non-starter - the 6910's ears are set a bit lower, so major surgery required. I'll just wait like everyone else. I also just noticed a photo of our machine back on page 5 - nice, here's hoping that they took extra care with unit number #000001 !! :coffee2:

Lacehim · November 2011

Just a Q. Does the manual say anything about backflushing these BDB? Do you have to use their product or can any backflush product be used?

Koffee_Kosmo · November 2011

A great guide to Breville OPV adjustment Hope it helps owners Can anyone guess who it is (hint- Crema member) http://nic.steve-tek.com/?page_id=180 KK

Dry_bean. · December 2011

Interesting observations re the dual boiler Breville from Alan Frew in his latest newsletter. "Finally, I've had a chance to play around with the new Breville Dual Boiler espresso machine, and I must say that it seems to do the things it is supposed to quite well, especially when teamed with a good grinder. After a look under the hood I do have reservations about its repairability and longevity, but when I commented on this to the owner he said basically "Never mind, I expect to buy a better machine in a couple of years anyway." This surprised me, as it seems to be at odds with the expectations of the majority of my customers, who expect their machines to last forever. With good reasons, too, as a 1998 Napoletana 1 we got back for repair last week demonstrates. Its owner estimates that it has already pulled over 18,000 shots, and with a decent makeover and $300.00 worth of parts and labour it looks like another 18,000 espressos are in its future. It does make me wonder how many shots the Breville Dual Boiler will do for its $1500.00 pricetag."

mcknightp · December 2011

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Interesting observations re the dual boiler Breville from Alan Frew in his latest newsletter. "Finally, I've had a chance to play around with the new Breville Dual Boiler espresso machine, and I must say that it seems to do the things it is supposed to quite well, especially when teamed with a good grinder. After a look under the hood I do have reservations about its repairability and longevity, but when I commented on this to the owner he said basically "Never mind, I expect to buy a better machine in a couple of years anyway." This surprised me, as it seems to be at odds with the expectations of the majority of my customers, who expect their machines to last forever. With good reasons, too, as a 1998 Napoletana 1 we got back for repair last week demonstrates. Its owner estimates that it has already pulled over 18,000 shots, and with a decent makeover and $300.00 worth of parts and labour it looks like another 18,000 espressos are in its future. It does make me wonder how many shots the Breville Dual Boiler will do for its $1500.00 pricetag."

14,600 consecutive shots without failure of any component on multiple machines during development. These tests also continue with production versions to ensure the production componentry & assembly methods meet this minimum standard as well. Cheers, Phil

Muscles · December 2011

Cool, reassuring to know that I have 14,100 odd remaining :D

Brett H · December 2011

Alan Frew is awesome. If he likes a product he often ranges it. A good example was his ranging in the early days of the Sunbeam grinders. I'll head over to CoffeeCo and have a look now. Thanks for posting DB. We need a Like button for posts becasue your's and the two subsequent posts would get my vote! Reassuring stuff Phil, and no surprise given that my Breville Cyclonic Wizz was bought in 1996 and is still like new! Interesting also to see what BRG shares are doing... 2.8 with 8c in dividends this year (4% fully franked) someone check my math before I divert payment for a new dual boiler to Etrade....

Dry_bean. · December 2011

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Alan Frew is awesome. If he likes a product he often ranges it. A good example was his ranging in the early days of the Sunbeam grinders. I'll head over to CoffeeCo and have a look now. Thanks for posting DB. We need a Like button for posts becasue your's and the two subsequent posts would get my vote! Reassuring stuff Phil, and no surprise given that my Breville Cyclonic Wizz was bought in 1996 and is still like new! Interesting also to see what BRG shares are doing... 2.8 with 8c in dividends this year (4% fully franked) someone check my math before I divert payment for a new dual boiler to Etrade....

Alan really is very much the quiet achiever, to the best of my knowledge has not aligned himself with any of the coffee forums. He does his own thing and is highly respected by customers and others in the industry. :coffee2:

java the hutt · December 2011

Hi Phil. Would there be spares available for the DB? Even though it has tested to a zillion shots, I wouldnt be surprised if something does fail before then (Like on most coffee machines or anything for that matter)

mcknightp · December 2011

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Hi Phil. Would there be spares available for the DB? Even though it has tested to a zillion shots, I wouldnt be surprised if something does fail before then (Like on most coffee machines or anything for that matter)

Yes, there are spares of almost everything apart from the obvious stuff that would never be required. Cheers, Phil

java the hutt · December 2011

Thanks Phil BTW. I ended up adjusting the OPV. now the shots come at around 10bar while before it was 13. Is that ok?

mcknightp · December 2011

So which medical device company do you work for?? Cheers, Phil

Brett H · December 2011

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At $1600 second hand 8) and no warranty, the Minore III for me; is still a better buy.

I agree but would seriously love to put them on the bench together (provided the BDB didn't have the OPV set too high). I was as you know in the market for a DB.

mcknightp · December 2011

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Thanks Phil BTW. now the shots come at around 10bar while before it was 13. Is that ok?

Hi Java, how does it taste at 10b? It's not a throw away line, but taste is the ultimate arbitor in all of this. You can always get a "service centre" to, mark it, change it, taste & move it back if necessary. That's the official line............ Cheers, Phil

shape_shifter · December 2011

LOL I think Phil hates me :D

Brett H · December 2011

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LOL I think Phil hates me :D

How is that possible SS??? At least you didn't suggest that the poor guy was singing nursery rhymes... singing I'm a little teapot to the preps now makes me wince with embarrassment. I have just had Tango's Lightly roasted Bag a extracted at 90... awesome. On the old machine this tasted a little sour. I am starting to see what all the fuss is about with double boilers/PID. My gauge says that my OPV is set to 10.5 ish bar. This was done by those wonderful calibration people at Cosmorex whom I purchased the machine from. On my old Diadema the OPV is brass and very easy to adjust but hasn't required adjustment. I imagine that many people owe SS a great deal of gratitude or her blog and making this job more easily accessible. Phil's advice is good... Get them to mark the OPV so that if the taste is not to your liking it is easily readjusted.

ajst2duk · December 2011

..this thread seems to be petering out ahead of the holidays - I wonder if that's a reflection that generally everyone's happy now and the OPV is the only real issue so far? So a few weeks in for us and we love the machine - will be getting a total thrashing over Christmas. Only 1 issue for us and thats that the stainless exterior when we wiped it with a wet cloth, had some sort of marking come up - almost like miniscule spots of rust in the fine grooves where we wiped - so you can still see the wipe marks. I've made a mental note to get some SS cleaner next time I venture into a supermarket to see if I can get it off. I still think that this machine has done a good job of rasing the bar and blurring the line between form & function. Hey happy holidays everyone - relax and enjoy some good times & great shots. Thanks to this forum too for being a useful info source. AJ

RichardM · December 2011

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Only 1 issue for us and thats that the stainless exterior when we wiped it with a wet cloth, had some sort of marking come up - almost like miniscule spots of rust in the fine grooves where we wiped - so you can still see the wipe marks. I've made a mental note to get some SS cleaner next time I venture into a supermarket to see if I can get it off.

Have you tried vinegar (either neat or watered down)? I find it to be the best stainless steel cleaner around.

shape_shifter · December 2011

I have two things that I use, I wipe it down with a sponge first to clean it all and then I have a cloth to dry it all, I make sure that here are no wet spots left anywhere, seems to be working

Oh just wanted to say "THE NAKEDS ARE COMING, THE NAKEDS ARE COMING" :D

Muscles · December 2011

I use a damp cloth, same dedicated one used for cleaning the steam wand and then go over everything with a micrfibre cloth to make sure it's all shiny and dry... seems to work for me.

Brett H · December 2011

Cool... Naked shots... Ready those cameras!!!

shape_shifter · December 2011

Yeah Brett I have to keep watching where I stand in the reflections :D

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