Thank you for the welcome guys, Yes AM, My recollection might be a little hazy, but a wise man did tell me that: "If you haven't roasted your coffee to 3rd Crack, then you'll never know how good coffee can be" .. he did rather look quite elongated in features and rather hairy .. I'm sure he was a man .. well, come to think of it, maybe he was a Llama ... ? The Dali Llama perhaps? most probably not though. 3rd Crack: the elusive point of no return, spontaneous combustion, so much energy, you can't stop it. If it ain't on fire, it ain't worth drinking! So yes again AM .. 3rd Crack is my new venture into this wonderful world of coffee. After a very memorable 18 months at Supreme Roasters and 10 Golden Bean Medals later, I'm ready to retire from roasting as I now realise that aiming for 3rd Crack on my roast profiles may just be pushing coffee too far? mmmm .... pushing coffee beyond limits .. I'm convinced there's goodness beyond 3rd Crack. I have been known to be wrong before though. Where's my Green Tea?