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john_2

HomeBarista Glad to see you are enjoying the Diadema Junior. I am too. I have been bench testing one now for about 2 months. It certainly is a very impresive machine. Great lines. I think that it can stand alone on its merits. It is right up there with the best of home-style espresso machines in its class. It is well built, a solid machine which will outlive much of its opposition. The espresso extraction and the steaming capabilities are excellent. The Diadema Junior is the same machine as 'La Valentina'. La Val (as 'she' is affectionaly called) has been extremely well praised on a number of coffee forums. Out of interest, I have had it set up beside a commercial machine and the Giotto. It would be hard to pick the difference in the espresso from any of the machines. I would be happy to own either one and also have the utmost confidence in selling both. In choosing a machine in this price range, I strongly suggest that you look at all the options and quiz the resellers about what makes the machine 'tick'. If they don't know then find someone who does. FC thanks for the kind words. John

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Dear LAZ I used Danes in sydney and so did my friend negotiated $2200 for ecm premium giotto with milk jug, kilo beans, tamper etc thrown in and 1 hour of training if I wished. Highly recommended. They are an ECM reseller so know the machines very well, and use them in their stores so you can see them and taste them. I also have an ECM machine and its fantastic. best wishes tony

john_2

Crock Your help requested please. Noticed your post about the Giotto. Any chance you could let us know who sells the Giotto Premium for $2000. I have contacted every body I know that sells them and could not find one for $2000. Have tried to email you but the emails keep bouncing back. JD

FreshCoffee2

Could it be that Crock is a "plant" who's just come it to deliberately stir up a bit of trouble over prices and vendors? Many probably don't realise that IP addresses are recorded in each new post, in a section that only ADMIN can see...he can tell who is submitting "a load of crock" and / or deliberately misleading posts with bogus email addresses. Pricing is an interesting subject. Someone writes on the net they can get something for a great price somewhere, and it immediately ruins the price for all legit traders, with people ringing up or emailing from all over looking for that really hot price. Legit traders are

john_2

FC I think the name says it all!!!!!!!!! CROCK, yep a real crock........... Im not sure who may have planted CROCK or why. Just another case of some turkey (it is around Christmas, you know) rambling on and trying to mislead genuine forum members. I think that forums can do without the CROCKS of this world. JD

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ecm is a good machine and enjoys the e61 heads rellay great for dosing bezzera 99 is a fantastic machine in many ways more reliable and sturdy than the ecm the screens are quite low and has a tendency to heat up but all you have to do is some basic tempreture surfing. vibrating pump is reliable and will more than suffice for domestic use

john_2

Uribe11235 The Bezerra 99 is a very good machine. However, can you please explain "bezzera 99 is a fantastic machine in many ways more reliable and sturdy than the ecm". Also what experience can you back up the claim that the B99 is sturdier and more reliable than the ECM. JD

Gonzo

Never mind about that. I'm just happy that the ecm really "enjoys" its e61 heads and that they're really good for "dosing". Haven't quite worked out the relevence of the "low screens" but I think it'll come to me in a dream, and I'm really happy the vibrators are reliable, particularly as they all have the same ones! Those of you that care to check my email address will note it is one of the VERY FEW in this thread that is legit and actually works. Readers should note, this thread is full of misinformation so if you really are seriously looking for semi commercial espresso machines, better look up a legit trader or two, find them in the for sale section of this site, AS MOST OF THE INFO PASSED ON IN THIS THREAD IS SUS. Choking even more than usual after reading this one! The Big G.

john_2

Gonzo Yep some of the posts are unfortunately a bit suss. Having a look back many of the 'suss' ones appear to come from GUESTS and a number of the email addresses are a crock. Possibly bored house bound turkeys with nothing else to do and getting fatted up for Christmas. I am sure, come the new year most of them will have had their heads lopped off and be still sitting in the supermarket freezer. Sorry but not prepared to go down the vibrator track but might duck out to Manly for a surf before the temperature gets to me. JD

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Laz re price I know one chap on this forum got his giotto premium delivered to perth or brisbane (not sure which now) for $2300 I think a few months back. From Danes in sydney. considering delivery thrown in that seems good to me. If you could pick it up you could save a few dollars. I get quite a bit of stuff from them as well. Always great service. LAZ A place in melbourne will do you $2300 cash as well, beans and extras included....Post again and I will email you direct. Under posts somewhere re danes anyway...didnt have time to search...........look and im sure you will find him and can email as well.... as others say you can shop all you like to save a few hundred dollars but in the end service and convenience way in. All shops throw in beans, and extras so dont worry about that stuff. julie p

admin

Hi All and especially FC - in answer to your post a couple of posts up - yes, I can knock a post off, if it is clear that it is dishonest or defamatory...neither of which has been proven, although I agree it's a highly dubious claim. Either way, I agree that Crock's post is probably rubbish - so anyone beware - it is very unlikely that you will get the 'genuine article' Giotto brand new anywhere in Australia for under $2,200. -A