Londinium I Lever Espresso Machine

lespresso

not sure if i am reading something into the high powered element discussion that isn't there, but please understand that it won't drive your electricity bill up any more than say a 1000W element would what drives the cost is the volume of water you want to heat and how hot a temp you want to hold it at whether you use a small element, which will be on for more of the time, or a large element which is on less, makes little difference to the cost of running the machine what a high powered element does give you is endless steam, and when you have drawn off a cup of hot water, e.g. to make tea/soup/americano-long black the same volume of cold water is pumped into the boiler to replace the water drawn off, so you don't have to wait till xmas for the boiler to get back up to operating pressure again (you will on a machine with a small element). this is a real benefit.

Paolo5

Not concerned with the relative costs of heating. More about logistics of getting the 2800W element running on a 10amp circuit. Getting a dedicated 15 amp circuit cost me around $300 in a previous house. I don't often use the steam tap or water tap anyway, so think that extra power heater might be total overkill in my situation.

derrilex

$300 is a once only spend and its done for ever then. Cheap insurance for quality, reliable power IMO and in the total scheme of things very cheap considering the cost of machines / grinders / other associated toys.

Lacehim

For me it's the same issue. Running cables in a 2 story house is a nightmare because all the sparkies want to run conduit outside because it's easy! Looks awful though, and then there is the issue with our island bench where my coffee machine is! Currently the toaster trips the power now and again, and I can't imagine having 2400W element is going to help much. Power is split between 2 circuits in the house, and my office is on the same line as the kitchen so I'll probably need to buy a UPS for my server too! 8 hour parity checks on reboot are not fun!

derrilex wrote:

$300 is a once only spend and its done for ever then. Cheap insurance for quality, reliable power IMO and in the total scheme of things very cheap considering the cost of machines / grinders / other associated toys.

That's fine if you also have space in your powerboard for more circuit breakers. (3phase power, 21Kw aircon, power, lighting, solar etc fills it up quick) Mine has one space left! I'm going to have to get my sparky over for a chat I think. It doesn't help that when sparkies build a house they tack the exiting cables and drill tiny holes. You can't even pull though additional cables and I don't want to start ripping out plasterboard! 🙁

UNM

my off peak power is there for 8 hours a day. think it is from 11pm to 7am. not much use for coffee machines. IMNSHO, Aussies (and kiwis) should get the 2400 watt version, plug it in and enjoy. KISS Also when upgrade time comes, will be easier to sell a 10 amp machine.

derrilex

UNM wrote:

my off peak power is there for 8 hours a day. think it is from 11pm to 7am. not much use for coffee machines. IMNSHO, Aussies (and kiwis) should get the 2400 watt version, plug it in and enjoy. KISS Also when upgrade time comes, will be easier to sell a 10 amp machine.

Thats tarrif 31 = night rate. Cheaper again that 33 but very limited times.

derrilex

Lacehim wrote:

For me it's the same issue. Running cables in a 2 story house is a nightmare because all the sparkies want to run conduit outside because it's easy! Looks awful though, and then there is the issue with our island bench where my coffee machine is! That's fine if you also have space in your powerboard for more circuit breakers. (3phase power, 21Kw aircon, power, lighting, solar etc fills it up quick) Mine has one space left! I'm going to have to get my sparky over for a chat I think. It doesn't help that when sparkies build a house they tack the exiting cables and drill tiny holes. You can't even pull though additional cables and I don't want to start ripping out plasterboard! 🙁

Conduit on the outside is par for the course. You cant see it from inside the house anyway :laugh: Sounds like you need a new switch board Lacehim. Cheap as, $ 1500 or so :rofl: Thats what you get for building on the ground. :stir

SniffCoffee

2400w still seems like a massive element to me, not sure the extra 350w would make a huge difference, it seems most HX machines only have a 1300w element, so the recovery time should be pretty quick, especially considering it's a decent size boiler too?

Lwowiak

UNM wrote:

IMNSHO, Aussies (and kiwis) should get the 2400 watt version, plug it in and enjoy. KISS Also when upgrade time comes, will be easier to sell a 10 amp machine.

Very good advice. My Bosco has a 6Litre boiler and a 2400W element. It takes 15 minutes to heat the water in the boiler to full pressure. For a much smaller boiler, going above 2400W is overkill. This is for domestic use. People wanting warm up times under 10 minutes should look in the appliance section. :stir

Paolo5

As a point of reference, if the 2800W (I assume...yeah...I know) model takes 3.5 minutes to get the boiler pressure up to full steam from cold, can any of you physics geeks work out how much longer it would take the 2400W heater to do the same? :pan

lespresso

2400/2800 = approx 85% = 85/100 if you take the reciprocal = 100/85 which is about 18% longer 3.5 minutes = 210 seconds 1.18 x 210 = 250 seconds approx = 4minutes 10 seconds so as you can see the issue is not significant in terms of heating from cold the benefit is recovery time , which hits you again & again if you are using the machine to make multiple drinks, esp if drawing off water having said that the 2400W element is still pretty quick, and the whole reason we are offering as an option for 10A markets is so it is plug and play

Paolo5

Thankyou Reiss...that puts it into perspective for me.

conikal

First prototype pic .. ??

Seeya_Latte

Wow that drip tray looks HUGE, Reiss is definitely a maverick....broken away from tradition and opted for a plunge pool instead Sorry if it's been covered already but what's the official capacity of the tray?

kofekitt

Seeya Latte wrote:

Wow that drip tray looks HUGE, Reiss is definitely a maverick....broken away from tradition and opted for a plunge pool instead Sorry if it's been covered already but what's the official capacity of the tray?

1.5 Litre,machine is going to be 550mm deep, i know some people struggle to accommodate the Vibiemmes because they're 530mm deep, at 550 there's no way this will fit on my bench, especially with legs positioned so close to the corners.I guess it was necessary to stop the tipping over, plus having a tank on-board

conikal

1.5 L drip tray is not unusual... my Isomac holds more than that ! but on a lever m/c that doesn't need a big "cooling" flush routine,..then it is more than enough.

Seeya_Latte

kofekitt wrote:

1.5 Litre,machine is going to be 550mm deep, i know some people struggle to accommodate the Vibiemmes because they're 530mm deep, at 550 there's no way this will fit on my bench, especially with legs positioned so close to the corners.I guess it was necessary to stop the tipping over, plus having a tank on-board

Thanks Kofekitt (although I just noticed...it was mentioned on pg4 :doh🙂 No problems if it's going on an island bench but even with people who have 600mm deep bench tops (which is the standard I believe here in AU for new kitchens) it'll be a snug fit when you allow for power cord clearance between the back of machine and wall.

Brett_H

I had a Tassie Oak bench/draws made to go the length of the back of my kitchen. It fits whatever machine I want, and the outlook over the garden is fabulous... when I clean the window :pan When you consider the price of these machines and the fact that many consider them functional art it seems a shame to shoe-horn them into a kitchen that isn't designed to take them. Think of Borat's picture of his machine in his living space over there in Dubai, a centerpiece of lovliness that lifts the room. I'm not saying don't buy one if you have a kitchen with limited space and opportunities... on the contrary... find/convert/build a space in your home where you can enjoy these beautiful things in all their glory without the better half wishing you had become interested Tea leaves every time she burns herself on the group-head grating carrots!

Ol_Grumpy

I'm not a particularly religious man but I'm guilty of developing a coffee obsession... With a grinder called 'Pharos' And the top shot called 'God'... Well I reckon every home should have a shrine and all who enter should pay homage and grind at the Altar of the great mystic... :Caffeine :bring it on

Kelsey

If we were staying in this apartment the plan was to create a coffee shrine in the living space. As we'll be moving soon we'll just have to see.

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