Londinium I Lever Espresso Machine

Brett H · September 2012

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Lets keep this on topic guys. This topic is about the Londinium I lever, not a bitching session about other forums.

Yep :thumb: Giotto: 1.8l - 1300W Strega: 2.0l - 1400W Wega MiniNova: 2.0l - 1300W I'd be looking at the standard 1400W model and have it tagged and tested by your sparkie given that the machine is a grey import as Lwowiak points out. That will keep things easy should you ever need o change locations or heaven forbid have an insurance type issue. Of course I may be completely off-track.

lespresso · September 2012

NB: the 1400W element is available in 110V only FWIW, the machine is certified for Australian regs my understanding of the term 'grey import' is a slightly derogatory tag for goods that are brought into the country outside of an authorised dealer network/franchise if there is no local authorised dealer network I'm not sure it is a grey import it is just a private import, the same as anything else you buy over the internet, or by any other means, that may not be offered for sale in your country if the machine sells strongly we would need to establish local dealerships in major market countries unless the product sells in volume there are not enough machines to spread the cost of the service provided by the local dealer network, so the local price would rise significantly. then you would see grey imports as people sought to bypass the local country dealer network local country dealer networks need products that sell in volume for the business model to work i think it is premature to assume what is a fairly niche product is going to sell in its thousands, however good it might be

lespresso · September 2012

PS - if we were building a highly complex machine like a Slayer, Synesso, or a high end LM, these machines obviously demand a local dealer network to provide specialist technical support - diagnosis of electronic faults is well beyond the average handyman, specialist parts, specialist tools - its a different business model altogether if you've followed Londinium you'll know that from day 1 we have only sold equipment that is low tech, does not require specialist tools, and can be fixed by anyone with basic handyman skills L1 will be just the same if you can't be trusted with a screwdriver, then you shouldn't try your hand on L1 either, but with a bit of luck you have a family member or friend who has a practical bent the advent of video calling with Skype means we are always on hand to step you through the process, assuming you have reasonable bandwidth on your internet connection what we may have is a recommended service & repair agent(s) in local countries

Ol Grumpy · September 2012

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PS - but with a bit of luck you have a family member or friend who has a practical bent

I'm particularly bent.... Does that count? Sorry -Neeeed gooood coffffeeeee

Ol Grumpy · September 2012

Reiss, On a slightly more serious note, I'm really fascinated by the 'bringing to market' process you are undertaking... Clearly you have polarised opinions and stirred the waters. It's a fundamental recommendation in Marketing to make a big splash in a small puddle rather than a small splash in a big puddle... And I believe you've gone some way in achieving that goal. I'm not convinced though that you've taken the easiest path or let's say 'followed a path of proven success'... I'm a fan and student of Jeff Walker and I even have a full copy of PLF (Product Launch Formula 3.0) right here in Good Reader on my iPad. Anyone whose ever heard of Dan Kennedy, Frank Kern, Ryann Deiss, blah, blah... Well in the Internet Marketing world these guys all use PLF or derivatives of it and make mega millions doing it... Mind you, don't take this as criticism, it's not, just an observation from the sidelines. Clearly, there are many, many elements of your own product launch that are hitting the right buttons... Like I said, your involvement here provides a unique and fascinating insight that's rarely available and greatly appreciated. Keep up the good work and I wish you all the best. I for one really like your business model and stated intentions. I wish you every success. OG

Paolo5 · September 2012

I really like the aesthetics of the sculptured lever on the prototype and hope that it makes its way to the retail model. That rod with a hardwood handle will look great. I am really looking forward to seeing some photos of a finished Londinium 1....both inside and out.

Lacehim · September 2012

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NB: the 1400W element is available in 110V only

If there a reason why it's only available for 110V? The reason I ask is because if it had a 1400W element I wouldn't have to rewire my house. Heat up times aren't an issue for me because I'm home all day. I've never had a problem with recovery time with a 2lt boiler and a 1300W element before so I really don't see why I need the extra 1000W.

lespresso · September 2012

yes - we don't have a 240V, 1400W element to put in it the offering will be, 240V - 2400W or 2800W 110V - 1400W

Lacehim · September 2012

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yes - we don't have a 240V, 1400W element to put in it

That's a shame, the 1400W element was my only hope of owning one of these! My machine is on an island bench top and I can't justify the cost to install dedicated power to it. It wouldn't be cheap with a concrete slab floor and tiles.

Ol Grumpy · September 2012

Maybe not Lacehim, We run an extended auger from the roof down through the noggins-as long as you like- within reason and a little trick is to use the plastic tongue in chipboard flooring to push through as a leader for the cable... It may not be as hard/expensive as you might think... Could be a whole lot worse tooo... But it's the thought that counts, right :stir Replacement element might be another thought....

derrilex · September 2012

You have power at the island bench though dont you Lacehim ? Those wires will be in conduit through the slab so could be used as a draw wire for new cabling. Is your house brick veneer ? I cant remember. If so its not too difficult to do with a whopping great cavity all around the house and a sparky worth his salt.

conikal · September 2012

Lacehim, ..sound like you are in a jam with the power supply so maybe go for this gas powered option ..? Fracino%20DualFuel%20Gas%20Retro%201%20group.jpg.opt180x292o0,0s180x292.jpg

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Lacehim · September 2012

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You have power at the island bench though dont you Lacehim ? Those wires will be in conduit through the slab so could be used as a draw wire for new cabling. Is your house brick veneer ? I cant remember. If so its not too difficult to do with a whopping great cavity all around the house and a sparky worth his salt.

Yes, there is power there and it is indeed a brick veneer typical new build aussie home. I didn't build the house though so it's a bit hard to determine how it was installed.

I am planning on building a new kitchen at some point in the future, so there is the possibility of installing extra power when I do that. Finding a decent sparky that is willing to do the work and take the time and effort to do it right, is pretty hard.

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I am happy to offer my services.

Thanks AM. :thumb:

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Lacehim, ..sound like you are in a jam with the power supply so maybe go for this gas powered option ..?

Sadly no natural gas on the Sunshine Coast.

I also don't at this point have LPG installed in the home. Maybe with the new kitchen.

Koffee_Kosmo · September 2012

I had a new kitchen installed a month ago We had power installed in the island The electrician has a dual blade concrete cutting tool - it basically cuts a neat channel so a conduit can be laid down The section of concrete in between is removed by a tiny jackhammer I prepaired the area for him by removing tiles for re-use as this is the most crucial area if new or spare tiles are no longer available After the power install I laid the tiles and you can't tell anything was even done Ask Derilex he has seen it or not

KK

conikal · September 2012

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Sadly no natural gas on the Sunshine Coast. I also don't at this point have LPG installed in the home. Maybe with the new kitchen.

9kg gas cylinder under the worktop ?

Brett H · September 2012

Off topic I know but my sparkie reckons that my GPO that he tested for me was good enough to put a 15amp outlet on and not have to worry about anything. He tested it at a couple of different times and quipped that "you could pull 20 amp through that... pffft!" You might just get lucky mate depending what else is on that circuit. Is this just my sparkie's way of telling me he's tired of testing my GPOs or is there something in it? P.s yes I really am that anal. When we bought the house I had the board upgraded and a surge protector on the board installed. We run a lot of lapidary machinery.

conikal · September 2012

Option "C" for Lacehim !..... get the 1400w , 110v unit, and run it on a 240/110v step down transformer. ;D

Lacehim · September 2012

Or Option "D", buy something else that suits my wants/needs and has a more suitable power requirement.

conikal · September 2012

??? Really ?..you would let a circuit breaker dictate your choice of espresso m/c ? :'(

UNM · September 2012

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??? Really ?..you would let a circuit breaker dictate your choice of espresso m/c ? :'(

don't know about you, but it would certainly influence my choice. if two suitable options are available, one requiring electrical work and one not. I would go for the one not requiring extra work. No brainer.

Lwowiak · September 2012

Lacehim, I do not presume to know anything about the wiring of your island bench, but am curious how many powerpoints you have on it, and what appliances are plugged in. You can always do a test by using the toaster, kettle and some other unit at the same time, and seeing the result. In my current premises, the kitchen is pretty much the original early 90's design. I believe we have a number of GPO's daisy chained together, leading to the one circuit breaker, and it has never tripped. We run kettle, toaster, dishwasher and the Bosco all at the same time, with no problems. The intercom unit is patched into the GPO, and had a double adapter with two whopping transformers (taped into place in the wall cavity) plugged in. This has been changed, and a few items like garbage disposal and zip tap have been turned of permanently. You may be ok with a machine with a 2400W element. In my brother-in laws brand new house, the sparky was so good that the toaster and kettle would trip the circuit breaker every time. The sparky told him to use one at a time, and that he was expecting too much. The builder rectified the fault, but it is pretty common these days.

Lacehim · September 2012

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??? Really ?..you would let a circuit breaker dictate your choice of espresso m/c ? :'(

Yes I would to be honest with you. I don't really see why everything has to be bigger, faster and it's assumed it's better these days. :P Lets face it a smaller element would still heat the same water to the same temperature just a little slower. A timer on your machine would be a better option in my opinion, but that's just my opinion.

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the toaster and kettle would trip the circuit breaker every time.

The toaster has tripped a few times now which annoys me because my server is on the same circuit.

I'm not sure why it trips and this has been my concern. If I add another 1400W (my exisitng machine is 1000W) will it make the problem worse? Looking at my appliances now my kettle is rated at 2000W and my toaster at 1800W so maybe I'm worrying about nothing?!? The kettle has never been an issue, just the toaster.

Lwowiak · September 2012

My kettle is 2200W. Toasters are notorious for tripping out circuit breakers. I threw out our old one when it started to do the same a couple of years ago, and bought a decent one. I think you should be fine. As to your server, hook up a UPS. I am doing the same as I cannot afford to lose my work if the modem loses power and I lose my internet connection. I will also hook up the NAS to the UPS as a safeguard. As an experiment load up the PV, the kettle and anything else you think of (except toaster), and see if the circuit breaker trips.

Beanz · September 2012

The Londinium is now listed, it comes up as "Sold Out" at this stage but the listing gives an indication of colour options and the details for the Luxe edition. http://londiniumespresso.com/products/londinium-i Londinium II http://londiniumespresso.com/products/londinium-ii Londinium III http://londiniumespresso.com/products/londinium-iii

lespresso · October 2012

apologies, but external events prevented us from launching in sept as planned as long as the water/steam valves arrive at the end of this week, next week should see a lot of action plain vanilla stainless machine* awaiting fitment of steam wand & water port: [attachimg=1] [attachimg=2] *winner of the 2012 'how close can you sit your espresso machine to the edge of the bench without it falling off' award

Lacehim · October 2012

Nice Reiss. So will I still be able to get one before Christmas? ;D Also as Beanz noted you've started getting ready for their release on your website. Is it possible to have more details about the different models (ie the colours etc) so that I can choose one before release. I don't want to miss out mate! I need a new machine yesterday!

Do you need any testers? :D :laugh:

It's all looking very exciting. I've decided to give it a go with the 2400w element, and hope it all works. I figured if my kettle (with 2000w element) didn't cause issues, then it should be ok. Cheers

lespresso · October 2012

the colours are listed on our website. tomorrow i hope to button these down by referencing the RAL colour, along with some negotiation with Fracino as i doubt they have access to every powder on the colour chart we may not offer every colour in the first run, in the interests of making it a bit easier to manage i hope that by about this time next week we will have completed LONDINIUM I machines, including the Luxe edition, with images taken with an 85mm SLR lens or thereabouts so there should be a lot less distortion, and you should get a better idea of the proportions - it is deeper, wider, and lower than it appears in any of the images that have been published to date we will not take orders until we have every part in our possession, and we will be regulating it very carefully so we don't take more orders than we have machines

Lwowiak · October 2012

Lacehim, Will you keep your PV for a while after the L1 arrives? It would be interesting to see what differences you detect in the cup. :stir Comparing espresso from both machines would be a very interesting exercise, if you have the time of course.

Lacehim · October 2012

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we will not take orders until we have every part in our possession, and we will be regulating it very carefully so we don't take more orders than we have machines

Sounds good, just make sure I don't miss out!

I'm most interested in the Luxe edition. After seeing Borat's shiny boiler I just know it's the one for me and it's something different that stands out from the s/s crowd. http://www.bestcafes.com.au/forum/projects-rebuilds/lever-project-urania-1-group/msg21775/#msg21775 Any chance you'll have a nakid handle to buy too???

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Will you keep your PV for a while after the L1 arrives? It would be interesting to see what differences you detect in the cup. :stir Comparing espresso from both machines would be a very interesting exercise, if you have the time of course.

I won't be keeping it forever, but yes there will be a change over period. I'll have to invite Kelsey (or anyone else interested) over for a taste/feel comparison. The lusso is a great machine. I was pretty gutted when the Bosco came up so cheap (your a lucky bunny mate) and I'm hoping this fills the void!

Kelsey · October 2012

I'll be there!

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