Londinium I Lever Espresso Machine

Seeya_Latte

Yeah I'm a little bit with Hip on this... I personally didn't read too much into it, to me it came across as a certain CS owner just using his own forum to express his opinion on the look of the prototype...I mean...we can, why not him? And I agree.... no Us/Them sheet please... some still play in both sandpits

Lacehim

Lets keep this on topic guys. This topic is about the Londinium I lever, not a bitching session about other forums. Here's a piccy of the back of the machine. It's hard to comment on the design/look considering it's covered with plastic so I'll be waiting on the final reveal. In regards to the element issue, I wonder if the 1400W element is an option for us Aussies? It's only a 2lt boiler, and currently my lusso would boil that much water with a 1000W element. How long would it take to heat a group head that big, and would it still be stable. I seriously think a 2000W element would be tripping my power alot if someone turns on the toaster at the same time as the element kicks in. I see from the blog they are now powdercoating the interior to Zintec which is a galvanised sheet metal product. I like the polished looking boiler idea, but it's hard to image what it will look like with a dark interior. Surely you want to show it off, nice and bright? I hope with all these add ons that they can stay on budget with the basic model, and offer these add ons individually for customised machines.

Lwowiak

The BES900 was picked apart because of certain claims by Jedward. They claimed it would be a GS slayer. I had to research what they meant by this, as I thought they were making references to some mythical creature. :doh: The L1 in essence is a machine based on the Bosco. Someone liked the coffee from it, looked at it and said: How can I make this smaller and more suitable to the domestic market???? I applaud Reiss for his efforts, as I have looked at my machine and had similar thoughts. The difference is that Reiss has followed through on his idea. Testosterone fueled car (or appendage) comparisons are normal, and should be treated with humour. :stir I believe the real issue at heart is that the L1 will be a GREY import, and therefore many will have to Tiptoe through the Tulips. Too much has been said in the green dimension about the pitfalls of importing, and this product may just disprove certain claims and open up a whole new can of worms.

Lwowiak

Lacehim wrote:

I see from the blog they are now powdercoating the interior to Zintec which is a galvanised sheet metal product. I like the polished looking boiler idea, but it's hard to image what it will look like with a dark interior. Surely you want to show it off, nice and bright? I hope with all these add ons that they can stay on budget with the basic model, and offer these add ons individually for customised machines.

It would be nice if you can also add or change the look of the machine, further down the track. Buy the base model, and then change panels etc when it suits.

Brett_H

Lacehim wrote:

Lets keep this on topic guys. This topic is about the Londinium I lever, not a bitching session about other forums.

Yep :thumb: Giotto: 1.8l - 1300W Strega: 2.0l - 1400W Wega MiniNova: 2.0l - 1300W I'd be looking at the standard 1400W model and have it tagged and tested by your sparkie given that the machine is a grey import as Lwowiak points out. That will keep things easy should you ever need o change locations or heaven forbid have an insurance type issue. Of course I may be completely off-track.

lespresso

NB: the 1400W element is available in 110V only FWIW, the machine is certified for Australian regs my understanding of the term 'grey import' is a slightly derogatory tag for goods that are brought into the country outside of an authorised dealer network/franchise if there is no local authorised dealer network I'm not sure it is a grey import it is just a private import, the same as anything else you buy over the internet, or by any other means, that may not be offered for sale in your country if the machine sells strongly we would need to establish local dealerships in major market countries unless the product sells in volume there are not enough machines to spread the cost of the service provided by the local dealer network, so the local price would rise significantly. then you would see grey imports as people sought to bypass the local country dealer network local country dealer networks need products that sell in volume for the business model to work i think it is premature to assume what is a fairly niche product is going to sell in its thousands, however good it might be

lespresso

PS - if we were building a highly complex machine like a Slayer, Synesso, or a high end LM, these machines obviously demand a local dealer network to provide specialist technical support - diagnosis of electronic faults is well beyond the average handyman, specialist parts, specialist tools - its a different business model altogether if you've followed Londinium you'll know that from day 1 we have only sold equipment that is low tech, does not require specialist tools, and can be fixed by anyone with basic handyman skills L1 will be just the same if you can't be trusted with a screwdriver, then you shouldn't try your hand on L1 either, but with a bit of luck you have a family member or friend who has a practical bent the advent of video calling with Skype means we are always on hand to step you through the process, assuming you have reasonable bandwidth on your internet connection what we may have is a recommended service & repair agent(s) in local countries

Ol_Grumpy

lespresso wrote:

PS - but with a bit of luck you have a family member or friend who has a practical bent

I'm particularly bent.... Does that count? Sorry -Neeeed gooood coffffeeeee

Ol_Grumpy

Reiss, On a slightly more serious note, I'm really fascinated by the 'bringing to market' process you are undertaking... Clearly you have polarised opinions and stirred the waters. It's a fundamental recommendation in Marketing to make a big splash in a small puddle rather than a small splash in a big puddle... And I believe you've gone some way in achieving that goal. I'm not convinced though that you've taken the easiest path or let's say 'followed a path of proven success'... I'm a fan and student of Jeff Walker and I even have a full copy of PLF (Product Launch Formula 3.0) right here in Good Reader on my iPad. Anyone whose ever heard of Dan Kennedy, Frank Kern, Ryann Deiss, blah, blah... Well in the Internet Marketing world these guys all use PLF or derivatives of it and make mega millions doing it... Mind you, don't take this as criticism, it's not, just an observation from the sidelines. Clearly, there are many, many elements of your own product launch that are hitting the right buttons... Like I said, your involvement here provides a unique and fascinating insight that's rarely available and greatly appreciated. Keep up the good work and I wish you all the best. I for one really like your business model and stated intentions. I wish you every success. OG

Paolo5

I really like the aesthetics of the sculptured lever on the prototype and hope that it makes its way to the retail model. That rod with a hardwood handle will look great. I am really looking forward to seeing some photos of a finished Londinium 1....both inside and out.

Lacehim

lespresso wrote:

NB: the 1400W element is available in 110V only

If there a reason why it's only available for 110V? The reason I ask is because if it had a 1400W element I wouldn't have to rewire my house. Heat up times aren't an issue for me because I'm home all day. I've never had a problem with recovery time with a 2lt boiler and a 1300W element before so I really don't see why I need the extra 1000W.

lespresso

yes - we don't have a 240V, 1400W element to put in it the offering will be, 240V - 2400W or 2800W 110V - 1400W

Lacehim

lespresso wrote:

yes - we don't have a 240V, 1400W element to put in it

That's a shame, the 1400W element was my only hope of owning one of these! My machine is on an island bench top and I can't justify the cost to install dedicated power to it. It wouldn't be cheap with a concrete slab floor and tiles. 🙁

Ol_Grumpy

Maybe not Lacehim, We run an extended auger from the roof down through the noggins-as long as you like- within reason and a little trick is to use the plastic tongue in chipboard flooring to push through as a leader for the cable... It may not be as hard/expensive as you might think... Could be a whole lot worse tooo... But it's the thought that counts, right :stir Replacement element might be another thought....

derrilex

You have power at the island bench though dont you Lacehim ? Those wires will be in conduit through the slab so could be used as a draw wire for new cabling. Is your house brick veneer ? I cant remember. If so its not too difficult to do with a whopping great cavity all around the house and a sparky worth his salt.

conikal

Lacehim, ..sound like you are in a jam with the power supply so maybe go for this gas powered option ..?

Lacehim

derrilex wrote:

You have power at the island bench though dont you Lacehim ? Those wires will be in conduit through the slab so could be used as a draw wire for new cabling. Is your house brick veneer ? I cant remember. If so its not too difficult to do with a whopping great cavity all around the house and a sparky worth his salt.

Yes, there is power there and it is indeed a brick veneer typical new build aussie home. I didn't build the house though so it's a bit hard to determine how it was installed. 🙁 I am planning on building a new kitchen at some point in the future, so there is the possibility of installing extra power when I do that. Finding a decent sparky that is willing to do the work and take the time and effort to do it right, is pretty hard.

Anger Management wrote:

I am happy to offer my services.

Thanks AM. :thumb:

conikal wrote:

Lacehim, ..sound like you are in a jam with the power supply so maybe go for this gas powered option ..?

Sadly no natural gas on the Sunshine Coast. 🙁 I also don't at this point have LPG installed in the home. Maybe with the new kitchen.

Koffee_Kosmo

I had a new kitchen installed a month ago We had power installed in the island The electrician has a dual blade concrete cutting tool - it basically cuts a neat channel so a conduit can be laid down The section of concrete in between is removed by a tiny jackhammer I prepaired the area for him by removing tiles for re-use as this is the most crucial area if new or spare tiles are no longer available After the power install I laid the tiles and you can't tell anything was even done Ask Derilex he has seen it or not 😉 KK

conikal

Lacehim wrote:

Sadly no natural gas on the Sunshine Coast. 🙁 I also don't at this point have LPG installed in the home. Maybe with the new kitchen.

9kg gas cylinder under the worktop ?

Brett_H

Off topic I know but my sparkie reckons that my GPO that he tested for me was good enough to put a 15amp outlet on and not have to worry about anything. He tested it at a couple of different times and quipped that "you could pull 20 amp through that... pffft!" You might just get lucky mate depending what else is on that circuit. Is this just my sparkie's way of telling me he's tired of testing my GPOs or is there something in it? P.s yes I really am that anal. When we bought the house I had the board upgraded and a surge protector on the board installed. We run a lot of lapidary machinery.

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