Sunbeam EM7000

Kelsey

I dunno mate, this is at least somewhat why the Apple references are justified. Apple pushed the market forward with a number of technologies by getting rid of useless cruft that we were all beholden to: the stink that was kicked up when the first iMac was released without a floppy drive was absolutely insane. EVERYONE thought it would fail. Instead it pushed up the universal adoption of USB by YEARS. Apple saw useless cruft that actually held their products back for little tangible benefit - they yanked the band-aid. Sunbeam might just be doing the same thing. Supermarket beans might be the casualty. Think about it - with POD machines in the ascendency this is the kind of move that could split the whole market. No more super-low-end domestic machines and stale supermarket beans. Just pod machines and high-end consumer machines that require decent quality beans - lowest entry point, the EM7000.

Lwowiak

Very good point. I agree. Look how many people have put their plunger and Moka pot in the cupboard next to their floppy disks and VHS tapes. These days many a kitchen has a POD machine prominently displayed. This does not mean that a plunger or Moka pot cannot deliver an excellent brew, just that they have lost their fashion status.

conikal

Lacehim wrote:

. There market is probably going to be people starting out, and they might not know better and buy supermarket beans (stale rubbish).

Being realistic, most buyers of this m/c will be trying to replicate the coffee quality they experience from their local cafe. They wont (yet !) be coffee experts set on the finest, boutique roasted SO. There are many supermarkets that carry fresh roasted ( <2weeks) beans that can produce an excellent cup ( especially milk based ) and indeed there is a recent review on HB that concluded even imported Italian roasted beans ( >10 weeks post roast ?) can produce excellent in cup espresso's ! So, providing they are educated to the grinder requirement, i can see many 7000 owners being very satisfied with beans from their local retailers.. ...but we all know that is just the first step on the "coffee ladder".

coffeehorse

I see a serious issue with this machine in the South Australian market - much bigger than the dual floor basket, where I agree with Ms. Oak. [i]It appears that the milk temperature 'zone' is set about 15

Brett_H

[quote author=coffeehorse link=topic=2972.msg34646#msg34646 date=1353473038] I see a serious issue with this machine in the South Australian market - much bigger than the dual floor basket, where I agree with Ms. Oak. [i]It appears that the milk temperature 'zone' is set about 15

derrilex

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

derrilex

Lacehim wrote:

OT again guys. 🙂

Geez maybe you should be a mod Lacehim instead of that layabout down at Caloundra :rofl: :rofl:

LaSanMarcoMelb

My Old man just bought the EM7000, now I just need him to spend another $500 on grinder as the average one he is using really limited what I could get out of that machine when I was up in Sydney last week. I took some week old beans that I had roasted especially to put through his new pride and joy and the result I got was disappointing compared with my E61 HX. Admittedly I only made 2 coffees through it and my experience with most domestics is that you need to bugger about with them until you can get the best out of them (nothing will fix the bad steaming though) On the other hand the in laws just purchased a nespresso..... I had to smile through gritted teeth as I held my "mug of cino" but the look of pride they had as they were no longer drinking Coles brand Vienna "coffee" was priceless. To each there own. Hopefully I can open there eyes just a little at Christmas time when I'm offering up different blends and SO's, the old man is already hinting at a behmor for him now he's retired.

Brett_H

LaSanMarcoMelb wrote:

My Old man just bought the EM7000, now I just need him to spend another $500 on grinder as the average one he is using really limited what I could get out of that machine when I was up in Sydney last week. I took some week old beans that I had roasted especially to put through his new pride and joy and the result I got was disappointing compared with my E61 HX. Admittedly I only made 2 coffees through it and my experience with most domestics is that you need to bugger about with them until you can get the best out of them (nothing will fix the bad steaming though) On the other hand the in laws just purchased a nespresso..... I had to smile through gritted teeth as I held my "mug of cino" but the look of pride they had as they were no longer drinking Coles brand Vienna "coffee" was priceless. To each there own. Hopefully I can open there eyes just a little at Christmas time when I'm offering up different blends and SO's, the old man is already hinting at a behmor for him now he's retired.

Thanks mate for a really interesting post! I've go to say that I completely agree with you that the lower end the machine, the more the fiddling to get a great shot. I had thought that however these newer machines would be easier to get good results than previous models; however, I realise how subjective that statement is as I type it. Your problem as so aptly put was the grinder. What sort of grinder was it that hobbled the machine?

LaSanMarcoMelb

From a quick google image search looks like the gaggia MM grinder. It is slow, noisy, messy and clearly makes bad coffee

Lacehim

Anger Management wrote:

I think CH was suggesting that 80C is where those from SA like to see their milk temp.

Is it just a gauge or does it stop the steam when it hits it's "correct" temperature?

derrilex

Just a gauge ( 99% positive)

coffeehorse

Just a gauge.

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