Quamar Q50P/doserless habits!

Simon

Haha thanks Brett! Errrrmm..... maaaybe... haha. Well technically they were 8 doubles, so that's 16 shots of coffee, BUT I drank only half of each beverage mostly, and chucked the rest into a cup to put in the fridge (potential iced coffees!), so technically 8 were drunk... :S [emoji33] [emoji12]

Simon

Another session (I feel like this is a journal now haha...) DAY 8 POST-ROAST #distribute evenly whilst grinding, 3/4 way collapse, little horizontal taps, *adding stockfleth, collapse, straight tamp -22g gr2.1 y29g 30s (great pour, nice, a little harsh tasting) -22g gr2.1 y36.6g 30s (pretty good pour, nicer) -22g gr2.1 y32.7g 30s (little spurts, pretty good pour otherwise) #Go a bit coarser: -22g gr2.2 y40g 25s (brighter, much nicer) -22g gr2.2 y44.5g 23s (went to a nice central pour, then spurts! ??? Still quite nice) #add nutation to slow down pour and hopefully get rid of channelling spurts... -latte 22g gr2.2 y50.6g 25s (??????? Pour was a little weird and fast, few spurts... Latte was quite nice though.. only a little bitterness present) A little frustrated at the strange results.. the thing is I kept everything the same. Am pretty fastidious with keeping technique EXACTLY the same.. I only added nutation because there was clearly some channelling with the spurts that were showing, but I have NO idea why it was a faster pour after nutation... nutation always slows down shots significantly from my experience! The Harrar beans are 8 days post-roast, so perhaps it still hasn't quite stabilised fully? I'm surely surely hoping this is the case... Will try again on day 10 or 11 perhaps.... Any thoughts are much appreciated..

Brett_H

There is this funny old coffee-lover's tale that says grinders don't settle themselves down and become consistent until at least 10kg has been through them. By that time they're seasoned, settled and so is the owner! Whether it be the machinery or the user don't be too frustrated. We've all been there and we're bound to return!

Simon

Brett H wrote:

There is this funny old coffee-lover's tale that says grinders don't settle themselves down and become consistent until at least 10kg has been through them. By that time they're seasoned, settled and so is the owner! Whether it be the machinery or the user don't be too frustrated. We've all been there and we're bound to return!

Hahaha nice I like that... Thanks heaps Brett appreciate that very much. Yeah it's a secondhand one, probably done about 15kg or so, am just not understanding what I'm doing wrong here... I think I may be too used to single dosing with my ol Rocky grinder and the ability to easily change grind/change dose and know what's gonna happen. Not used to having the hopper full and dosing that way, so perhaps my expectations are too high, and I need to work on consistency more. And getting used to what a grind setting notch change will result in and how much to purge etc etc... Just need more time and practice with it I'm sure. And I'm sure I'm overthinking it, and need to spend more time at each grind setting. Thanks mate 🙂

mycuppa

Simon......mate, step away from the grinder and take a deep breathe. Playing with coffee that is too fresh or in it's final "wobbly" stage before stabilization is fraught with frustration. You are trying to work with an Ethiopian natural and these can be terribly challenging to dial in consistently after 7 or 8 days. Think 12+ days or more. Harrar's are probably the hardest to dial in......consisting of highly variable screen size and densities. If I was you, I would be looking to play with something that has perhaps more consistent in screen and density - like a Colombian or a Guatemalan. Softer beans like Brazil, Sumatran, etc. can be difficult to get the shots consistent if the bean itself was not processed or roasted well. Focus on harder, dense beans with plenty of age so you can eliminate the coffee from the variables.

Simon

mycuppa wrote:

Simon......mate, step away from the grinder and take a deep breathe. Playing with coffee that is too fresh or in it's final "wobbly" stage before stabilization is fraught with frustration. You are trying to work with an Ethiopian natural and these can be terribly challenging to dial in consistently after 7 or 8 days. Think 12+ days or more. Harrar's are probably the hardest to dial in......consisting of highly variable screen size and densities. If I was you, I would be looking to play with something that has perhaps more consistent in screen and density - like a Colombian or a Guatemalan. Softer beans like Brazil, Sumatran, etc. can be difficult to get the shots consistent if the bean itself was not processed or roasted well. Focus on harder, dense beans with plenty of age so you can eliminate the coffee from the variables.

Haha thanks for that mate will do, wasn't aware of the Harrar beans' need for much longer rest, and the trickiness of dialing it in. Will wait until day 12 post-roast anyways. I was thinking of roasting up some India Elephant Hills AA beans soon, would they be a good option to smash out shots and nut out the grinder do you think? Otherwise I have greens in PNG Mt Ambra A (washed), or Honduras Montana de Comayagua if you think they'd be better suited... Or I'll just order in some not-me-roasted Columbian beans Appreciate the help mate

lukemc

Order a bag of beans from mycuppa (same as above!!) mate. Rest them then try to dial your grinder in. They are always a go to for me when I am frustrated with what I’m roasting. Always very consistent quality. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

LeroyC

Brett H wrote:

Great thread and good advice. I was so very ready to go the whole hog and grab a... forgot... belt drive, conical burr opens grind chamber... forget. Seriously expensive, import only and trashed on forums by the select few owners. A K10, a paint brush and I'm happy.... for now...... KISS

Love my K10 Coni WBC. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Simon

lukemc wrote:

Order a bag of beans from mycuppa (same as above!!) mate. Rest them then try to dial your grinder in. They are always a go to for me when I am frustrated with what I’m roasting. Always very consistent quality. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Haha done, ordered 1kg of Colombia Excelso FAIRTRADE and Organic from you mycuppa, I'm keen as to get this sorted XD

K_Bean_Coffee

Great - Enjoy Simon. I can tell that you have really found yourself a new hobby 🙂 Cheers, Paul K Bean - Buyer's Guide Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

Brett_H

LeroyC wrote:

Love my K10 Coni WBC. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I still forget the name of that grinder... anyone??

Brett_H

Found it... Versalab! Singly the worst website in the modern era but perhaps the best grinder!

Simon

K_Bean_Coffee wrote:

Great - Enjoy Simon. I can tell that you have really found yourself a new hobby 🙂 Cheers, Paul K Bean - Buyer's Guide Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

Haha a hobby of constantly doing the same thing and expecting different results! XD Yeah learning lots, even at this stage, so am having fun with it.

LeroyC

Brett H wrote:

Found it... Versalab! Singly the worst website in the modern era but perhaps the best grinder!

Oh yeah, Versalab. The space age coffee grinder that doesn't really look like a coffee grinder. They do that crazy 3-headed thing don't they?

LeroyC

Simon wrote:

Haha a hobby of constantly doing the same thing and expecting different results! XD Yeah learning lots, even at this stage, so am having fun with it.

As long as you're enjoying it Simon. I was starting to worry about you for a bit there. LOL.

Simon

Haha yeah don't worry am still loving it, had a few moments for sure (:S) but those can't keep me away 😉

Brett_H

LeroyC wrote:

Oh yeah, Versalab. The space age coffee grinder that doesn't really look like a coffee grinder. They do that crazy 3-headed thing don't they?

That's it! I considered one but support is a long way away! Also I don't think the difference in the cup will be better enough to warrant the hassle.

Simon

No essay today haha, but just a little DIYing fun! The flexible metal strip across the front of the chute snapped off (probably from me constantly bending it back and forward to clean the chute). I found it really helpful with eliminating static and also in holding back the grinds from shooting out fast, as without it I found it made a bit of a mess haha. So I pondered a few possibilities, dusted my hands, and bought just some ol 0.9mm wire, cut it up, twisted it round, and viola! Works very well in eliminating mess, and not only that, quite easy to move out of the way to clean the chute (my original plan involved magnets, double sided adhesive strips and slicing up metal sheeting, so this is much simpler haha). I slotted the ends of the wire inside the holes left from the finger guard thingo I removed, seemed to just all fall into place. Just thought I'd post this for anyone else in a similar predicament, there always seems to be some sort of solution haha.

K_Bean_Coffee

Very clever Simon. Thanks for sharing 🙂 ...and take care with those fingers 😉 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

Simon

Haha, yeah the finger guard never made sense to me, completely blocks the ability to clear the chute (if one loves doing that sorta thing hehe). Obviously it's there for safety reasons I guess 😉

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