[Bread makers etc all mean major work as you need to gut and remove wiring and or expose wiring etc,... Not good. [/quote] Cant say I agree with this AM, my local sparky called in one afternoon, had a cuppa, looked at the bread maker and left 30 mins later job completed at no charge, its pretty basic stuff if you know what your doing. The KKTO and Corretto have similar origins, neither are being used for the purpose intended, my preference is certainly for the Corretto set up, easy to load and dump beans, no major modification needed, chaff removal is excellent, no need to burp and roasts are very consistant. Of course the one proviso I mentioned earlier is that you do need to roast with them outside or in a well ventilated shed.