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Title: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Koffee Kosmo on 13/05/2011, 09:16 PM
                      As the thread topic says, this thread is all about
                                     Lever Espresso Machines

In the last month I was privileged to be invited to Barazi Bezzera to try for the first time in the world the Bezzera Strega HX Lever Machine & make a video of it  :o

I have been back a few times and tried my home roasts with the BNZ grinder

I am taken with the difference in the
1) The cup flavour is a little softer and a little more flavour definition than my BZ40
2) The smell is also different in the cup  from the 2 machines I tested it against
3) The overall extraction process is not forced & the spring just does its job smoothly

Now I have upgradeitis again
This is the first lever machine that I have used and I mastered it with a little practice in a short time

The question is for other owners of lever machines to explain to me if my newbie observations are correct ? and is there anything else that I have missed

I know that BF & lacehim are converts
Did I mention that I have upgradeitis  ::) sorry but should I convert

KK

Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Koffee Kosmo on 13/05/2011, 09:55 PM

KK you are right terrible fellow...  ;D ;D ;D

BF knows I am on the look out for a Project and I keep looking around for a good Lever..

This is WANT not Need  :o :o :o :o :o :o  BUT darling I NEED it; it is Exercise  ;D

New machine Vs Old and traditional Lever....

Man I got to sell  / move some of the other stuff I do not use / need / want..  I should have put some $$$ up and bought the Coffee Side of Troys place...  Play with coffee and have toys at the same time.

Well I would need to sell my beloved BZ40 and go back to a tank machine and that's a big hurdle to jump

PS. KK he was out fo an hr; the hr that we were there.  We are looking to a street party in a week or two. BBQ and Street Roasting and FUN....  Opps OT AGAIN :-* :-*

Anger on   "What you say Admin ? "
 

I am in no condition to party. Think like a colander trying to hold water
But I am willing to do a spot of roasting at a gathering of the believers

KK
 
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Bean Flying on 13/05/2011, 11:05 PM
Mmm Levers over pumped machines or even certain levers over other levers over pressure profiling pumped machines for flavour and shot sytle. Potentially HUGE topic.

Generally your observations are about the same as my experiences too. Clarity is better and softer rounder if that makes sense. Some acidic beans don't do as well in a lever as they may do in a pumped machine but that is purely second hand as I haven't directly compared the same beans specifically.

As a few of you may know I have been doing some playing with GJ's and my grinder has been running their standard blend on my Fioranzato and on a Modern Diamond HX semi auto. The shots out of my Fioranzato are better to my palette (still not a fan of the blend) as above smoother and more rounded. I have done this with the same grinder and day and bean so it is about as close to a proper test method. This I suspect is due to the lbeans not being extracted (oiver extracted?) as hard toward the end of the shot. Blonding just doesn't happen for me.

Shot quality on a well set up lever dialled in properly will be close to if not better than most pumped machines including the big boys of pressure profiling depending on the profile they are set to. The thing you can't get easilly is a consistant profile change with pushing or pulling on the lever against the spring this is where the profiling machines are better. But for home pressure profiling is still quite a lot of years away I suspect.

Most of the above is more in relation to my experience with commercial levers as compared to higher end domestics or commercial pumped machines. The smaller domestic levers I will leave out on purpose so as not to muddy the topic.

A consideration also is basket diameter 55 or 58mm. Personally I like the 55mm of the Izzo better it is easier to get a great shot than with a 58mm I also think it is a better extraction but this could be down to different machines tasting different due to different cam/spring reasons. Given some more power available I hope to be able to do a little blind testing using my 2 DRM grinders and the different levers.

In your case KK would I buy a one of the new Bezzera's. Only if it can be run without the pump on a constant water supply. As I think I have mentioned on CS or maybe on HB it shouldn't be to hard to re engineer.

11pm ramblings but it is a start and I am sure the Slayer lovers will be along to kick me sometime  ;D
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Lacehim on 14/05/2011, 12:34 PM
Love it KK.  I was wondering how long you would resist that lever!

I bought mine without ever seeing or tasting coffee from a lever.  I bought mine because it was quiet, fun to use, small and compact.  I could see myself heading down the upgrade route and put the breaks on, looked around, had a think about what I really wanted?

It's easy to use, and he espresso is slightly different but still great in it's own way.

Personally I don't like the Strega so much becuase of the pump, KISS is best for me.  If you could ditch the pump it would be amazing.

What are the shot volumes?  Mine you are lucky to get 30ml from a 14gm basket.
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Bean Flying on 14/05/2011, 12:56 PM
What are the shot volumes?  Mine you are lucky to get 30ml from a 14gm basket.

These days it seems standard for the piston volumes on the spring levers for be 'nominal doubles' so 50-60ml. Traditionally the commercial machines were single shots per pull. Tom and shanny have an old Boema that runs that way and I am not sure but the some of the Astorias are that way too.

I have dropped Dr Dregs (ex member at CS and lever nut) a PM on HB to see if he wants to come play here as well.
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Double Ristretto on 14/05/2011, 01:28 PM
Had the closed to a 'god shot' ever on the Mirage Idrocompresso at Toby's Chippendale the other day - the best shot I've ever had
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Koffee Kosmo on 14/05/2011, 01:31 PM
Love it KK.  I was wondering how long you would resist that lever!

I bought mine without ever seeing or tasting coffee from a lever.  I bought mine because it was quiet, fun to use, small and compact.  I could see myself heading down the upgrade route and put the breaks on, looked around, had a think about what I really wanted?

It's easy to use, and he espresso is slightly different but still great in it's own way.

Personally I don't like the Strega so much because of the pump, KISS is best for me.  If you could ditch the pump it would be amazing.

What are the shot volumes?  Mine you are lucky to get 30ml from a 14gm basket.

Shot volume is for a double

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In your case KK would I buy a one of the new Bezzera's. Only if it can be run without the pump on a constant water supply. As I think I have mentioned on CS or maybe on HB it shouldn't be to hard to re engineer.

I think Bezzera is designing a line pressure version

Still its hard to let go of the BZ40
I personally like industrial design features over bling
Or at least the 2 styles together

KK
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Fresh Coffee on 14/05/2011, 01:44 PM
Lever machines are a very individual thing as not all lever machines are the same, and I think this is where some disagreements have occured in topics on lever machines round the traps over time.

Personally, I am not a fan of tiny, immorally overpriced kitch ornaments masquerading as quality coffee machines, but I have no objection to small commercial sized lever machines as long as on an individual model basis, they are a good coffee machine.

My 2 group 1960's Bo_Ema lever machine is not in my opinion a good coffee machine in terms of the quality of its brew, but is a great reflection of a bygone era and style. It may or may not have been a good coffee machine in its day, compared to other machines of the day?????????

Any discussion on lever machines therefore, needs to consider, that one lever machine is not the same as another lever machine of different internal design, brand and model.

Rgdz,
Attilio
very first Crema site sponsor
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Bean Flying on 14/05/2011, 02:58 PM
Best thing to do KK is a road trip to survey the levers in the land  ;)

The KVW one is interesting Tobys in Melbourne have one in the city and they had been having on going pump problems on one of the groups. Real lever machines don't have these problems as they are or at least should be simple. About the only electrical bit on my 3 group that gets used is the P/Stat as I currently manually fill the boiler.

As above they all vary in flavour profile like all pump machines are not equal.

My 2 group 1960's Bo_Ema lever machine is not in my opinion a good coffee machine in terms of the quality of its brew, but is a great reflection of a bygone era and style. It may or may not have been a good coffee machine in its day, compared to other machines of the day?????????


Interesting I have had some really good shots out of a similar one too, is yours single shot per pull?

I reckon some of the lure of a vintage lever is as much the look and love for it as an object as the shots, but getting great shots has to be a bonus  :)
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Lou on 15/05/2011, 09:11 PM
I love this thread. Every coffee nut ultimately wants a lever one day, don't they??? I do.
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Lou on 16/05/2011, 09:47 AM
I love this thread. Every coffee nut ultimately wants a lever one day, don't they??? I do.

Is a man thing ???

Not for me.
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Lou on 16/05/2011, 10:15 AM
But you are a man. It's not a man thing for me because I'm not male - I'm female.  Keep going with your rels!
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Koffee Kosmo on 16/05/2011, 11:56 AM
But you are a man. It's not a man thing for me because I'm not male - I'm female.  Keep going with your rels!

Thanks Lou, I keep using Google translate to try and get better wording for the rels; but it is not always exact.

Can't ask my wife to do it; as she would then be aware of what I am up to....   And she just bought me a compound saw for my Birthday... err I bought and gave her the recite  ;D

As to am I a man.. I think so: but my daughter thinks i am a Wimp  ;D

Anger on who am I  ;D



Photos say more than words
So send photos and then say

Look for something like this
Gracia porfavore

(http://www.appliancist.com/ponte-vecchio-lusso-one-chrome-lever-espresso-machine.jpg)

KK
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Lacehim on 16/05/2011, 12:49 PM
KK, That's a Ponte Vecchio Lusso 1 group (and it's know by other names, SAMA, DAMPA and Ponte Vecchio).

Probably Attilio's idea of "tiny, immorally overpriced kitchen ornaments masquerading as quality coffee machines" ;)

My personal opinion is that it's what ever floats your boat.  What I like, another won't like.  I personally can't justify having a 60kg machine sitting in my kitchen.  My vote KK is that if you wait for the plumbable model with no pump.  KISS. Less to go wrong, and it's plumbed too.  Lovely.

AM, Plenty of machines on the Italian ebay, just pull a few photos off to give them an example.  Oh and get me one too ;)  Your wife should be happy!  You could take her to Sicily for a holiday then you can find them yourself and fill a container send it home and refurb them back here and make a killing.  AM's lever paradise. :)
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Bean Flying on 16/05/2011, 12:53 PM
Probably Attilio's idea of "tiny, immorally overpriced kitchen ornaments masquerading as quality coffee machines" ;)

My personal opinion is that it's what ever floats your boat.  What I like, another won't like.  I personally can't justify having a 60kg machine sitting in my kitchen.  My vote KK is that if you wait for the plumbable model with no pump.  KISS. Less to go wrong, and it's plumbed too.  Lovely.


I suspect the Elektra at $2.5k+ may be more the immoral sort of thing rather than the Lusso.

At to 60kg on the bench easy really total cost to me of about $3.5k with the grinder  ;D

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/full/231878818.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1305515155&Signature=o8jybwubWdVOadlC%2BJnuXiizn8g%3D)
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: AndreasM on 17/05/2011, 06:23 PM
Those of you that have used various lever machines, how do they compare taste wise?
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Koffee Kosmo on 17/05/2011, 06:31 PM
Those of you that have used various lever machines, how do they compare taste wise?

My direct comparison from a newbie user against the Bezzera BZ40

1) A little softer flavour in cup and a little more flavour definition
2) It smells & aromas are a lot different in the cup 

KK
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Bean Flying on 17/05/2011, 06:36 PM
Those of you that have used various lever machines, how do they compare taste wise?

Different to be a bit vague, softer but with better clarity when compared to standard 9 bar pumped machines. It would be really interesting to compare my 2 commercial ones to a pressure profile machine or even one of them in standard mode.

To obscure the answer even more both of mine on the same beans have a different taste and I prefer the Izzo by a touch generally over the Fioranzato. There is some stuff written by Gwilym Davies on Levers that will be worth a search.

Best bet is shout yourself a holiday pack some beans and come for a play.
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: AndreasM on 18/05/2011, 07:50 AM
I've only had a few shots from a 50's Faema Urania that I helped source for The Maling Room but that was years go.

Wondering how much of a difference there is between say an old Faema and Boema and also between a modern lever.
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: RichardM on 18/05/2011, 08:07 PM
I know this is a long shot, but considering the number of new coffee machines bought, and the number of old people dying (my tact is out the window tonight, sorry), that a fair few of these kinds of machines would be thrown out when their kids come to "clean out" the house, not realising what they are. Would there be many of these go to scrap metal places, the tip, salvo's etc?
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Bean Flying on 18/05/2011, 10:15 PM
Small domestics are a bit different to commercials for throwoutability.

Over time I have seen them come up on evilbay for sale with don't know how it works, went back to instunt, found in shed etc In most cases the people who finish up with them just don't know and won't have a grinder so whatever they make will be worse than international roast.

The numbers of quality old italian commercial machine in Oz seems to be fairly low and a lot of them change hands by word of mouth or extended word of mouth more than evilbay.
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: kualitycoffee on 04/07/2011, 10:47 PM
KK, That's a Ponte Vecchio Lusso 1 group (and it's know by other names, SAMA, DAMPA and Ponte Vecchio).

Probably Attilio's idea of "tiny, immorally overpriced kitchen ornaments masquerading as quality coffee machines" ;)

My personal opinion is that it's what ever floats your boat.  What I like, another won't like.  I personally can't justify having a 60kg machine sitting in my kitchen.  My vote KK is that if you wait for the plumbable model with no pump.  KISS. Less to go wrong, and it's plumbed too.  Lovely.

AM, Plenty of machines on the Italian ebay, just pull a few photos off to give them an example.  Oh and get me one too ;)  Your wife should be happy!  You could take her to Sicily for a holiday then you can find them yourself and fill a container send it home and refurb them back here and make a killing.  AM's lever paradise. :)

Amen Amen Amen to that! he will then need to convince the good women, maybe more than one, to build a new workshop (garage)!!!  

But hey AM this idea does have some merrite just think of the attention you will receive from the good women?  Does she make better coffee than you?  

You see she justs wants a machine that works. I'm lucky my lady does not like coffee in any form. This is good for me of course.
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Dennis on 20/07/2011, 12:50 PM
There was a 3 group Bo-ema lever for sale on an auction site that was just passed in without a bid.   Like me, I'm guessing a number of members here saw it.

It looks to be in good condition and just wondering why you feel it wasn't snapped up?
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: askthe coffeeguy on 20/07/2011, 01:28 PM
I know this is a long shot, but considering the number of new coffee machines bought, and the number of old people dying (my tact is out the window tonight, sorry), that a fair few of these kinds of machines would be thrown out when their kids come to "clean out" the house, not realising what they are. Would there be many of these go to scrap metal places, the tip, salvo's etc?

I'm in regular contact with a gentlemen from Italy who specialises in buying and restoring lever machines and he regularly has a few at his disposal -so feel free to pm me folks if you're genuinely interested in the goods - although if it was parting with that kind of hard earned, I'd wanna fly over and inspect first hand!

Also there seems to be a few available in NZ from time to time, on a local auction site...
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: UNM on 20/07/2011, 01:37 PM
There was a 3 group Bo-ema lever for sale on an auction site that was just passed in without a bid.   Like me, I'm guessing a number of members here saw it.

It looks to be in good condition and just wondering why you feel it wasn't snapped up?

In my limited experience, 3 group machines of any type get passed in far more often than 1 and 2 groups. Perhaps that is why and iirc beanflying got his 3 group Izzo for a good price after it was passed in at least once.
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: coffeehorse on 20/07/2011, 01:38 PM
Partly the brand - Boema have produced some /really/ awful products, partly the age - late 80s/early90s is unfashionable and had poor QC, and partly the 3gr nature means they're often 20A instead of 15W with the possibility of getting them down to less than 11A.

Also weight - 80kg+ is a lot different to 40-65kg.

The combo of brand, weight and age means perceived difficulty selling on, while probably no-one wants a machine they can't sell in times where money is hard to come by?

Just guessing here.
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Dennis on 20/07/2011, 01:53 PM
I wouldn't have considered owning a 3 group Bo-ema until recently.  In an odd way, they're kitch,  and I do like them much more now.

Having sold my lever recently, despite still having possession of it, I miss it already.  The Aussie brand appeals to me.  I've made some enquiries to the owner and might end up owning it.  Oh well, we'll see how it goes.
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Bean Flying on 20/07/2011, 01:57 PM
Different thing buying a 3 group for the home kitchen, I suspect the SO approval factor would be below zero.

I was having a little drool over at the KVW site last night and I was wondering if the lady uses a riser block behind the counter to get to the levers  :) Rancilio Class 6 I think.

(http://www.keesvanderwesten.com/news/sorrento/2.jpg)
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: RichardM on 20/07/2011, 04:46 PM
Different thing buying a 3 group for the home kitchen, I suspect the SO approval factor would be below zero.

My missus let me have a 1m wide bench. Whatever coffee gear I can fit on that, I can have :) :) - Wouldn't leave much space for a grinder though.
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Gra on 03/08/2011, 03:14 PM
Have just spotted this worth a look if your after a lever machine.. ;)

 http://perth.gumtree.com.au/c-Stuff-for-Sale-other-stuff-for-sale-La-Cimbali-Eleva-2-group-lever-ESPRESSO-COFFEE-machine-W0QQAdIdZ294703412

Cheers Gra..
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: UNM on 03/08/2011, 04:44 PM
And he even said on that other forum that price is very negotiable to see it go to a good home.

I am tempted, very nice looking machine.
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Bean Flying on 03/08/2011, 05:35 PM
Think this thread needs more pictures  :) Couple of my larger Levers in use.
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Dennis on 03/08/2011, 06:59 PM
Nice machines BF.  I just hope AM doesn't notice those leads lying around! ;D
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Bean Flying on 03/08/2011, 08:07 PM
All better now that was just the test location and the old kitchen  ;)

Here is 2 of the smaller flavour  ;D

(http://coffeesnobs.com.au/attachments/La_Cimbali_Micro.jpg)
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Bean Flying on 03/08/2011, 09:12 PM
To far south and in to small a town for decent ginger  :-[ The version of the Pavoni I have is already fully loaded with Timber including the boiler fill.
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: galumay on 19/08/2011, 09:05 PM
I have an Izzo Pompeii Single Group Lever and it took my coffee to a whole new level. I find I can pull consistently great shots with minimal effort. I came from a Bezzera BZ35e - a pretty damn good machine in its own right, but not a patch on a commercial spring lever.

Its also easier for my wife to pull great shots on, consistently, she loves the fact its so much less messy than a pump driven machine and she is much more confident pulling shots for visitors.

I also love the quietness, combined with a Pharos hand grinder its almost a zen experience extracting coffee!

I am a total convert to the Lever.  

emotji chosen by my son ???

Oh, nice to see some old online coffee mates here, Anger Management, Koffee Kosmo and Beanflying to name a few!

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/950720/the%20poursmall.jpg)
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: littleroundman on 19/08/2011, 09:25 PM
I just gotta say: that is one of the most stunning pieces of equipment I can remember seeing, in any field.
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Koffee Kosmo on 19/08/2011, 09:28 PM
I like levers and I am a convert in a big way
I do however prefer a plumbed in model

When my tax check comes in I think that I will be getting the demo Strega from Barazi
Over on Home Barista some have modified the tank models to operate as plumbed in thus eliminating the pump
So this is a bonus and a win win scenario for me

KK
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Bean Flying on 19/08/2011, 10:10 PM
Bit more Izzo power on site that's better, Welcome along  :)

Liking the Bezzera plumbed in to KK. I think they misread the market for Lever buyers a little by not releasing the plumbed in one earlier themselves.
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Koffee Kosmo on 19/08/2011, 10:33 PM
Bit more Izzo power on site that's better, Welcome along  :)

Liking the Bezzera plumbed in to KK. I think they misread the market for Lever buyers a little by not releasing the plumbed in one earlier themselves.

I am considering the very machine I have a video of, as its was a first in the world to be tested by me I have a soft spot for it.
You just had to see the shots I was pulling
There is a factory option for a plumbed in Stega available now
If I see the insides of one I can convert it

KK
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Bean Flying on 22/08/2011, 12:31 PM
Little bit of Coffee Porn 4 sale in Tasy at present. $15k'ish. I would nearly consider swapping my Izzo for it  ;)
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Brett H on 22/08/2011, 02:15 PM
Little bit of Coffee Porn 4 sale in Tasy at present. $15k'ish. I would nearly consider swapping my Izzo for it  ;)


I saw this also but alas, I don't have the bench space.... yeah right....

If this machine turns out to be unreliable for the new buyer, who services a Slayer???
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Lacehim on 22/08/2011, 05:14 PM
I am considering the very machine I have a video of, as its was a first in the world to be tested by me I have a soft spot for it.
You just had to see the shots I was pulling
There is a factory option for a plumbed in Stega available now
If I see the insides of one I can convert it

KK

KK does the factory plumbed option still use a vibe pump.  Lovely machine and I would have gone for one if it wasn't for the damn vibe.  The beauty of levers I think is their simplicity.
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Koffee Kosmo on 22/08/2011, 10:31 PM
KK does the factory plumbed option still use a vibe pump.  Lovely machine and I would have gone for one if it wasn't for the damn vibe.  The beauty of levers I think is their simplicity.

I will check and confirm with Barazi
The simple mods that I have seen on HB eliminates or bypasses the vibe pump

KK
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Koffee Kosmo on 16/10/2011, 07:01 PM
After all the lever restorations I have been seeing
Its prompted me to revisit my search for a good quality single piston lever (preferably commercial)

I like the Bezzera BZ2006AL
However I am not sure if they are available in 240 Volt

(http://www.1st-line.com/images/bezzera/b2006al.jpg)

I also like the Rancilio Z8 / Z9 one group lever if I can source one

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_NLIpGzoJntY/Swzgw46_MlI/AAAAAAAAALo/4fh55ANmi4A/s1600/DSC01184.JPG)

I just like the industrial look
Anyone that can recommend a similar machine
Of course the machine must be good at coffee making as a first priority
Some machines are fantastic and outperform the pretty machines
So whats the best lever machine flying under the radar   

PM me if you find something  ;) so I get first dibs

KK
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Koffee Kosmo on 14/12/2011, 11:48 AM
I spoke to Chris this morning about a few things including Lever machines
Because someone was asking on the different Strega models available with regards to a no pump model

So an update for the rest of the lever nuts on Crema
Current model available - and the one I have my eye on

Strega - with tank & vibration pump

Other models available by order only at this stage

Strega - Dual - Tank and Plumbed in
This model has 2 pumps
1 X Rotary pump - for mains water connection
1 X Vibration pump - for tank use

Strega - Direct Mains Model

This model has no pump at all and connects direct to the mains water line

On another topic
Chris said that he can get a Bezzera BZ2006AL as pictured above in 240 Volt or with the same internals the Ellise single lever

(http://www.bezzera.it/gifprod/high/ellisse_al1gr.jpg)

KK
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: shape_shifter on 14/12/2011, 11:59 AM
I really like the Bezzera BZ2006AL, as much of a box as it is and I wanted curves, it keeps the hot stuff away from my hands a lot better than majority of others.
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Bean Flying on 14/12/2011, 01:37 PM
Without wanting to talk down a product unseen there is a lengthy saga about a 2600 lever on Home Barista. My suspicion is it was a Friday machine but still worth a read. It wasn't in the wrapper shown below but in the squared off box but I believe they share the same internals. It was a conversation that started off elsewhere on another fourm pre decision to buy then drifted to waiting fo and then into a few post purchase issues to resolve over 6 months  ;)

(http://www.bezzera.it/gifprod/high/b2000_al.jpg)

Interesting to know the other variants are available by order too KK.  :)
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Kelsey on 14/12/2011, 01:46 PM
What's a 'Friday machine'?
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Bean Flying on 14/12/2011, 01:52 PM
A lemon or Friday Machine. This is not a reflection of the brand by any means just a one of issue as far as I have ever read.

Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Koffee Kosmo on 16/01/2012, 06:34 PM
The Bezzera Sterga lever machine has landed in the Koffee Kosmo kitchen

Photos to follow
KK
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Muscles on 16/01/2012, 07:02 PM
Woohoo! That's awesome KK, you must be a very happy man  ;)  Can't wait for some pics.....
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Koffee Kosmo on 16/01/2012, 07:05 PM
Woohoo! That's awesome KK, you must be a very happy man  ;)  Can't wait for some pics.....

They will be up later if night photos work out ok
Off to dial it in now and make a coffee

KK
Title: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Kelsey on 16/01/2012, 07:22 PM
You must be very excited KK!!
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Koffee Kosmo on 16/01/2012, 07:34 PM
I am exited
Here are some pictures I have just taken of the new Bezzera Strega Lever Machine

KK
Title: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Kelsey on 16/01/2012, 07:52 PM
So similar to my BZ. Wonder if I could do a secret swapsie without the wide noticing....  ;)
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Muscles on 16/01/2012, 08:03 PM
It's nice and shiny - that's for sure!
Congrats KK I am sure you will be very happy with it. Are you planning on upping the grinder now to something with some matching bling? How was the first pour?
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Koffee Kosmo on 16/01/2012, 08:13 PM
It's nice and shiny - that's for sure!
Congrats KK I am sure you will be very happy with it. Are you planning on upping the grinder now to something with some matching bling? How was the first pour?

First pour was good but a little fast
Still tasted it for quality control and disposed of it

Adjusted grinder a little finer and the second pour was on the money
Currently sipping coffee and posting about it


I wont change my grinder any-time soon  ;)

So similar to my BZ. Wonder if I could do a secret swapsie without the wide noticing....  ;)

You can only try  ;D

KK
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: derrilex on 16/01/2012, 08:14 PM
Looks awesome KK. Last trip out to visit Chris ( just before xmas) he had what appeared to be the same machine in the coffee station. He used to have some bezzera with a E61 for making the customers a brew. Anyway, he made me a coffee and damn it was good. I was very impressed with the lever, so cool and retro funk.
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Koffee Kosmo on 16/01/2012, 08:25 PM
Looks awesome KK. Last trip out to visit Chris ( just before xmas) he had what appeared to be the same machine in the coffee station. He used to have some bezzera with a E61 for making the customers a brew. Anyway, he made me a coffee and damn it was good. I was very impressed with the lever, so cool and retro funk.

Yes he has had 2 different Strega machines in that station
I always pull a shot when visiting - and I was hooked at the quality of the coffee it produced
Thats the reason I got one after a long testing period

Now I have to start personalizing it with,
1] A Naked group handle, by converting the single
2] A longer Timber Pull Handle for better fulcrum balance
3] Timber Porta Filter handles 
4] Timber toggles (steam/water) just like Kelsey's

KK


Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Koffee Kosmo on 16/01/2012, 08:45 PM

1: YES
2: YES
3: YES
4: YES


ummmm   starting to sound like more than a quick 1hr job...




KK: Will need your machine for a week or two  :angel:

While I have the BZ40 and If you promise not to scratch it I am willing to lend it to you

KK
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Bean Flying on 16/01/2012, 10:14 PM
Overdue KK  :) AM your next I reckon  ;)
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: borat123 on 16/01/2012, 10:25 PM

Congratulations on the new 'baby' KK.     I remember how smooth the shots from that machine tasted  :P

Now, you really need to get the grinder chrome plated to match ;)

Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: derrilex on 16/01/2012, 11:47 PM
I think I hear the wolf
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Brett H on 17/01/2012, 12:23 AM
Mate, a huge congratulations!!!  I was so close I can't tell you but the Diadema won my heart. I wish you many smooth tiger-striped god shots like we know that machine can deliver!  Just remember to lock in the PF properly ;)
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Koffee Kosmo on 17/01/2012, 10:22 PM
Had a good one to one with the Strega today
So I decided to sip on the last coffee of the day and post about it
Its an understatement to say that I am over the moon with the taste of the coffee it is producing
Just imagine the - trickle trickle trickle of the pour, it just gave me goose bumps
I was gesturing to the wife to look - LOOK - at this beautiful pour, just like a child

Have received in the mail today a timber handle from a Tasmanian online buddy
This is a pull lever handle longer than the original (see photo)

Handle feels so much better than the plastic original
The extra length is just about spot on @ 180mm
Its also, feeling more secure, more comfortable, No twist in the arm & shoulder due to height, most of all "no slip"
 
KK
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Koffee Kosmo on 18/03/2012, 03:04 PM
An update for the Strega Lever
Since its a rainy day in Brisbane I thought it was a good idea for a video

This is a naked espresso pour from start to finish including blonding stage and beyond.
I used a standard Synesso double basket
Just to demonstrate how it looks
KK

[embed=425,349]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzZBM1C4daQ&feature=player_embedded[/embed]
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: derrilex on 18/03/2012, 03:38 PM
Mmmmmm, oooozy
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Brett H on 18/03/2012, 04:01 PM
Thank heavens I'd just made a coffee from Mr Diadema.   :thumb:

Must be disconcerting for my neighbours since I am sitting on the deck talking at the iPad saying:

Mmmm nice, oh yeah baby, that's it, okay that's good, what are you doing, stop, stop now, STOP, STOP, Arggghh no, no, no you've gone too far this time...

Imagine they're disgust when they find out I was looking at coffee. :thumb:
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: galumay on 13/06/2012, 11:20 PM
I have added to my lever addiction, as well as the Izzo Pompeii I now have a little Baby Faemina in as new condition, early model with the bakalite knobs. Also picked up a nice Ararex Caravel to play with and just sit and look at!
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Brett H on 14/06/2012, 07:51 AM
I have added to my lever addiction, as well as the Izzo Pompeii I now have a little Baby Faemina in as new condition, early model with the bakalite knobs. Also picked up a nice Ararex Caravel to play with and just sit and look at!

Galumay, I'm sorry to say it but I really must insist that you provide us pictures!  I know I speak for many of us when I congratulate you on acknowledging your addiction, and then deciding to feed it!  :thumb:

Where did you acquire such wondeful new toys?  It's okay... you're allowed to say if you'd like!
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: galumay on 14/06/2012, 04:04 PM
OK, ok, obviously the pics are from the sellers, the items have not arrived yet,

Firstly the Baby Faemina, this looks to be in extraordinary condition and is one of the earliest models with the bakelite knobs,

Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: galumay on 14/06/2012, 04:07 PM
Then there is the Arrarex Caravel, also a fairly early model and what looks like pretty good condition,

Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Brett H on 14/06/2012, 04:34 PM
Awesome stuff mate!  Wishing you safe travels for your precious incoming cargo!
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: UNM on 15/06/2012, 03:27 PM
PID on a lever. Good, bad or indifferent?

I was reading elsewhere that  pid vs pressurestat on a lever is neither here nor there.

my natural curiosity was piqued.
I can't see why it would be any more or less desirable than on any other HX machine.

I can imagine that a well designed pid lever MIGHT  be more temp stable, or reliable than a pstat, but don't know for sure

anyone care to comment?

edit: levers generally have heavier groups so more thermal mass. that's one difference.
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Brett H on 15/06/2012, 05:22 PM
Sorry... Am over the PID hype and have been for many years...


In effect it is just the electronic version of a mechanical system and may have a tighter range. It still relies on a sensor (lots of issues) and just drives an element (thermo effects are many) thus where is the masive improvement. Other than ease of adjustment / maybe ?


However there are 1001 other variables that have more of an impact.


Besides, once you get the water up into the Leaver body; your pid sensor and any elements in the boiler are useless.


Thus the reason why the Strega uses a separate system to try to manage the variables..

Post of the week prize right here  :thumb:

Only caveat is that I wouldn't trade my machine for quids  :coffee2:
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: UNM on 15/06/2012, 05:47 PM
and if I was without my pid, I would have crap coffee at least half the time. best bang for buck upgrade to a small single boiler non-lever IMHO.

but surely a pid with two thermocouples, one in boiler and one in a lightweight actively heated group head would give more control over extractions.

The heavy lever group is presumably at least partly to compensate for poor design elsewhere.
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Bean Flying on 15/06/2012, 07:51 PM

The heavy lever group is presumably at least partly to compensate for poor design elsewhere.

Commercial lever groups is where this discussion should stay to be fair too, smaller stuff is a whole other can of worms. As written elsewhere by me elsewhere today if memory serves and that's the bit you are referring to ;) E61 type groups I think are around 5 or 6 kg, lever groups are 9 or 10kg.

Lever groups are generally an evolution if not a straight out copy of the early ones. Mass is one of the stabilizing factors as is distance from the boiler plus a host of other things including heat sinking of the frame. If you raise the boiler 1 degree over time the head of the machine assuming it is well designed will also come up a notch. Use it outside in a strong cool wind and a long heating flush is sometimes needed after an idle period. There was a shocker some time back on HB that the head simply wouldn't warm up in standard form so well designed and proven is a caveat.

If you boiler oscillates +-0.1 and gets checked 100 times a second or +-1 degree with a boiler coming on and off every other minute won't mater a darn as the TIME taken to see the head move up or down is way slower than the boiler cycle time on a P/Stat.
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: galumay on 15/06/2012, 08:32 PM
PID on a lever. Good, bad or indifferent?

I wouldn't rate it high on my list of things to have, but it's very nice if the machine comes with it. My Izzo Pompeii has one and it certainly makes temp profiling easy to fine tune particular blends or beans, so I would rate it 'good' but 'nice to have' rather than necessity.

I don't understand the emotion one way or the other, to be honest.
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Wonder on 07/08/2012, 12:01 AM
Hi all, I thought Id post as I've finally found my cure for upgraditis, with a move to the lever side.. Just got my Faema Lambro out of its box and up and running. Well it's on the kitchen bench and Ive just pulled two shots with it...

I must say its a beast compared to my vbm jr, it's so quiet, heats up faster and it's oh, I don't know 50-60 years old...

I think there's going to be a lot more roasting so I can get a lot more practice in on this beauty.  Oh and I owe a debt of gratitude to the coffee lover who I convinced that I needed it more than he did...   :thumb:

Pics will be posted once I can  :)

Note - Photos supplied by the previous owner and posted
More of my home setup on a later post
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Brett H on 07/08/2012, 04:44 PM
Hi all, I thought Id post as I've finally found my cure for upgraditis, with a move to the lever side.. Just got my Faema Lambro out of its box and up and running. Well it's on the kitchen bench and Ive just pulled two shots with it...

I must say its a beast compared to my vbm jr, it's so quiet, heats up faster and it's oh, I don't know 50-60 years old...

I think theres going to be a lot more roasting so I can get a lot more practice in on this beauty.  Oh and I owe a debt of gratitude to the coffee lover who I convinced that I needed it more than he did...   :thumb:

Pics will be posted once I can  :)

Wow, a huge congratulations.  How wonderful that another of these glorious pieces of functional art lives on.  I can't wait to hear the pictures!
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: derrilex on 07/08/2012, 07:22 PM
I think you just breached trademark regs Brett. Function Art (TM) is mine  :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Koffee Kosmo on 07/08/2012, 09:23 PM
That's a beautiful Lever Wonder
With equally beautiful photos  :thumb:

Hope you have beautiful coffee shots over and over again

KK
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Lacehim on 07/08/2012, 10:34 PM
That is very nice Wonder.  Your very lucky to own one!  Must have made a dent in your wallet though!

More photos required when you get it all set up, and a video of a shot being pulled would be fantastic. :)  You can never get enough photos of sexy levers!
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: derrilex on 08/08/2012, 06:53 AM
Now that's retro funk  :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Ol Grumpy on 11/08/2012, 10:51 AM
Hi Guys,
I have a question which will clearly display my ignorance of things 'lever coffee' but it is a question I ponder and I'd appreciate your feedback.

Actually, it's 2 scenarios...

1) Do you guys leave your machines turned on and ready all the time or do you turn them on and off- on demand? If the latter... Then let's say first cup of the day... How long is the morning ritual- from Goah to whoa. Turn- on till clean-up and out the door?

2) I'm fascinated by the Rossa Portapresso. Clearly I don't have the hands on experience myself with either, but from a position of blissful ignorance I see many comparisons to a lever machine. Especially in the profile setup on the Rossa. The Rossa easily extracts to 9 bar but Ross, in his website notes, has indicated a smoother and 'softer' brew at around 6 bar. So do you guys test and record your profiles or is it a 'by feel' & taste, is 'good enough'?

BTW I'm a tradesman with 35 years experience so I consider myself a Craftsman- not yet a Master Craftsman, but still practicing... Not blowing my trumpet- rather just sharing the perspective I'm coming from.... Ie after using power tools all my life I find now more and more I reach for a hand tool and get much better work for the effort...
I see the Rossa as the 'hand tool' and the 'Strega' as the 'power tool', if you get my drift.

Thanks,

OG
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Koffee Kosmo on 11/08/2012, 11:28 AM
Hi Guys,
I have a question which will clearly display my ignorance of things 'lever coffee' but it is a question I ponder and I'd appreciate your feedback.

Actually, it's 2 scenarios...

1) Do you guys leave your machines turned on and ready all the time or do you turn them on and off- on demand? If the latter... Then let's say first cup of the day... How long is the morning ritual- from Goah to whoa. Turn- on till clean-up and out the door?

2) I'm fascinated by the Rossa Portapresso. Clearly I don't have the hands on experience myself with either, but from a position of blissful ignorance I see many comparisons to a lever machine. Especially in the profile setup on the Rossa. The Rossa easily extracts to 9 bar but Ross, in his website notes, has indicated a smoother and 'softer' brew at around 6 bar. So do you guys test and record your profiles or is it a 'by feel' & taste, is 'good enough'?

BTW I'm a tradesman with 35 years experience so I consider myself a Craftsman- not yet a Master Craftsman, but still practicing... Not blowing my trumpet- rather just sharing the perspective I'm coming from.... Ie after using power tools all my life I find now more and more I reach for a hand tool and get much better work for the effort...
I see the Rossa as the 'hand tool' and the 'Strega' as the 'power tool', if you get my drift.

Thanks,

OG


First let's tackle the question of warm up time from cold
That depends on the individual machine and its construction
So as a general guide it will fall from a quick 15 min to a leisurely 30 min
However I will only make a comment on my machine as user knowledge

I own the Strega and it's fitted with group head elements that warm / heat the head to a predetermined temp
And I can make coffee after 10 / 15 min from cold start even in winter

Now let's talk about the Rossa - as you live in Brisbane you should visit sponsor Barazi as they have one to see on display
Seeing it in person is the best way to judge a product

KK


Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Bean Flying on 11/08/2012, 11:34 AM
Will answer number 1 first then I need additional lever coffee to consider your question number 2  :coffee:

1) All machines vary in heatup time and thermodynamics.

My Pavoni is ready to go after 15 minutes and after 20 is to hot to make a good coffee with out a cool down.

My 1 grp Fioranzato takes around 25-30 minutes for first coffees and due to the thermal mass it can be turned off for 2-3 hours then it only takes 10-15 minutes before it is ready to go again. Power saving is not much I guess as during that reheat time it is mainly on compared to more off than on if it is left running. If I am at home for the day it just stays on for easy walk up coffees.

3 grp Izzo currently running on reduced power (3000W) with it's 20L boiler takes 50 minutes or there abouts before I am happy with it.

These times can all be shortened up a bit by pulling water through the groups but I prefer just to allow for the warmup. Timers are great BTW  8)
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Koffee Kosmo on 11/08/2012, 01:11 PM
Most lever machines have some profiling within its tolerances

There is a fellow by the name of Jim Schulman that has used the Strega with the view of duplicating the profiles of different machines
He has posted a great video on it
See this link and view the videos - http://www.home-barista.com/reviews/bezzera-strega-second-look-t18933.html

But you want to see this video on profiling and I quote from Jim

Quote
PRESSURE PROFILING ON THE STREGA: The attraction of a lever machine is that it can be played like an instrument. The Strega's combination of lever and pump multiply these possibilities. On the Strega, the pressure of the preinfusion, the early, middle and late part of the shot can be separately controlled. This allows the Strega to emulate the operation and taste of a wide variety of high end espresso machines.

KK
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Bean Flying on 11/08/2012, 01:16 PM
Hmmm thanks guys about the Pre-heat times. I figured that with a boiler there would be a lead time dependent on volume. Interesting though that some machines will get too hot, horses for courses.

With the Rossa I've seen several now. I've even had some discussions with Ross about a demonstration and I know 3rd crack has made his shop available as a venue for said demo. Alas the stars have not yet lined up and so I wait patiently...

I really didn't want to start a discussion on comparisons... It's peaches and pears.

Nor to jack the thread- I guess really I was just wondering if you lever guys have looked at the pressure profiles or just accepted the good coffee for what it is?

Spun off further discussions of pressure profiling to here http://www.bestcafes.com.au/forum/espresso-machines/pressure-profiling-with-lever-espresso-machines/ (http://www.bestcafes.com.au/forum/espresso-machines/pressure-profiling-with-lever-espresso-machines/)
Title: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Black Shiraz on 23/09/2012, 02:12 PM
Well was down at 155 Union Rd Ascot Vale yesterday having a  coffee at Reverence Specialty Coffee & Tea and after a lovely El Salvador SO double ristretto latte and special roast called candyman as a SB.  I ventured one block down with a 4.5yr in hand to catch the tram to the Melb Show.  Just happened to walk pass a little shop I never knew existed in Bravo Coffee Machines and Supplies at 171 Union Rd. Did not venture in but had to stop an use the phone to take a pic for you lever nuts.  From what I could see in the shop which does coffee and sell gear, this baby is no doubt for sale (sorry for the crap photo but you get the gist).

What I love is I will explore this little area a little more as my sister lives just off Union Rd..... :)

http://www.reverencecoffee.com.au/





Title: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Lacehim on 16/10/2012, 01:09 PM
As you know I've been looking for a new machine for ages.  Nothing really ticked all the boxes, but the Quickmill 0996 Achilles is damn bloody close.

(http://www.quickmill.it/images/HQ/0996.jpg)
(http://www.quickmill.it/Images/PARTICOLARI/HQ/HQ_0996_P1.jpg)

Commercial group, with 2 springs, which for me means hopefully more reliability with seals.  It's around the same size as the Londinium (less depth, a bit more width from what I can see), and weighs 40kg.  I'm not sure my glass table will hold that much!!!  Still I wouldn't be moving it about anyway.

Here's the specs.

- Professional lever group;
- 4,5 lts. copper boiler - Automatic recharge;
- Boiler with electronic niveau fill probe;
- Niveau glass;
- Stainless steel anti-burn steam nozzle;
- Stainless steel anti-burn water nozzle;
- Volumetric pump - Professional thermostat;
- Certificated safety valve;
- Safety system with pump and heater stop;
- External rechargeable safety thermostat;
- Stainless steel cup warmer;
- Switch for use with water tank / direct water connection;
- 3 lts. water tank;
- Manomer to see the pressure in the boiler;
- Direct water discharge in the drip tray;
- With 1 and 2 exits filter holder.

Turns out Jack at Sorrentina has imported a few with the intention of selling them as a permanent line if all goes well.  I have been more than happy with his customer service since owning the PV lusso.  He's looked after me post sale! :)  Also he's had a better experience with Quick Mill in terms of customer service too which is good to hear.  He's got the version with taps,  but I've seen them pictured online with fick style taps.

Anyway, here's a few videos of one in action.

[embed=425,349]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guf96RPnvmk[/embed]

[embed=425,349]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCNo9BT0JB4&feature=channel&list=UL[/embed]

They seem relatively new to the market, not many reviews, and not really mentioned on here.  With a Bosco group strapped on the front, and a similar thermosyhon design to the Londinium I, it's seems to work well.  The guy in the video seems more than happy with his.

Anyone else have any thoughts on this machine?
Title: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Paolo5 on 16/10/2012, 03:14 PM
Hi Lacehim,

I have just bought one from Jack. It arrived last Friday.

It is a seriously-sized machine!
Title: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Lacehim on 16/10/2012, 04:36 PM
Mine is underway with Jack as we speak.  So what are your initial thoughts about the machine?  Whats the build quality like?  And most importantly what's the coffee like? ;)  can we have a photo of your set up.
Title: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Paolo5 on 16/10/2012, 05:45 PM
I am really impressed with the build quality of the machine. Stainless frame....stainless everything! And in my eyes this is a really attractive looking machine.

The portafilters are the only dodgy part of the package. They are not well balanced and the handles are too short for my liking. I would say the ideal candidate for some quality turned wooden handles!

Mine is identical to your first picture. I have seen pictures of an Achille with black feet, flat top and toggle water and steam valves.

Although there are other reports of heater capacity, mine has a sticker on it that says 1550W.

I have only had the machine for 4 days but the coffee is improving daily. !8 gm of grounds is too much...16 gm gives better results....not for flavour but for less channeling. Flavours are very good....not excellent yet...crema is less prolific that from my Cremina...but improving.

Mine just now took 13 minutes to close the anti-vac valve and then a further 4 minutes to build pressure to the 1.2 bar that it is set at. Mine is at proper operating temperature when the base of the lever is quite warm.

The double springs take more oomph to lower than what you would think. It is indeed a serious machine.
Title: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Koffee Kosmo on 16/10/2012, 05:59 PM
Quote
The double springs take more oomph to lower than what you would think. It is indeed a serious machine.

I had the same reason to get a longer lever handle for my Strega 
(http://www.bestcafes.com.au/forum/accessories/custom-resin-handles/?action=dlattach;attach=2390;image)

See this thread - http://www.bestcafes.com.au/forum/accessories/custom-resin-handles/

It certainly makes it a lot easier

This one is the newest one I use
(http://www.bestcafes.com.au/forum/accessories/custom-resin-handles/?action=dlattach;attach=4146;image)

KK
Title: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: mycuppa on 16/10/2012, 07:58 PM
Lacehim.

I think you have made a good choice.

Quickmill are an unbelievably low-profile Italian manufacturer who turn out superb quality equipment. I dealt with them about 4-5 years ago - small family operation with tons of pride in their product and surprisingly for Italians - a real care about customer support. They are highly skilled engineers.

I'm amazed why they have not been able to get a decent run here in Aus - their other domestic and auto machines are assembled from good quality components and well engineered.

Quickmill get more airplay in the US where one of the big Disti's takes a leading role in promoting the brand.

They have been around for a long time and make other catering gear of high quality. Quickmill also produce coffee equipment that is OEM by other brands.

Title: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Seeya Latte on 16/10/2012, 08:07 PM
Well done Lacehim and Paolo5
All reports suggest that the QM is a good unit
I think it'll be a winner for Sorrentina
Looking forward to your reports soon
Title: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Lacehim on 16/10/2012, 08:53 PM
Thanks guys, it's reassuring to know that.  With such a big purchase I was a bit concerned about picking the right machine.  This machine will hopefully last me a long time.

I hope Jack at Sorrentina does sell Quick Mill machine permanently.  He's a great guy to deal with, and a pleasure to do business with.  He also mentioned to me that Quick Mill have been fantastic support wise too, so hopefully we can also have good backup from the manufacturer.

I'm now on the look out for a nice table to put it on.  My current one is rather low and doing my back in!  I hope the wife doesn't freak out when she gets the visa bill!
Title: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Kelsey on 16/10/2012, 09:42 PM
Maybe she won't notice it's an entirely different machine on the bench? ;)
Title: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: galumay on 16/10/2012, 10:07 PM
I remember the Quickmill thread when the first one turned up on HB, looks like a nice machine, will do the job very nicely Lacehim.

I reckon it would be up there with the Izzo & Bosco in terms of quality and finish.

Title: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Wonder on 20/10/2012, 08:51 PM
I too remember the thread on HB,  the video wasn't the best but the machine looked great..

Can't wait to hear more about it, I'm nearly jealous... :)

Title: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Koffee Kosmo on 20/10/2012, 09:29 PM
I have now had the Bezzera Strega at home for several months and was the first person in Australia to use one

Haven't faulted it yet
It's just churns out one great coffee after another

I do mix it up a little from time to time with different pre infusion times and methods
I am very happy with my purchase and the only regret is that I should have done it sooner

KK
Title: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: C-man on 21/10/2012, 11:22 AM
Congrats Lacy!

you must be excited......

and broke!
Title: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: BLrdFX on 23/11/2012, 02:15 AM
Thanks guys, it's reassuring to know that.  With such a big purchase I was a bit concerned about picking the right machine.  This machine will hopefully last me a long time.

  I hope the wife doesn't freak out when she gets the visa bill!

Maybe if you hang an expensive bit of jewelry on the lever she won't notice the big machine holding the jewelry ;D

My wife rolls her eyes every time I modify one of my hobbies or add to one of them; I think a cruise is in her future...
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: K_Bean_Coffee on 14/01/2017, 04:56 PM
Hi all,
I'm a huge fan of the Profitec Pro 800.  After approx 7-8 machines over 10+ years I think this is the end point.  It's an absolute beauty.  It's a true "classic Italian" dipper lever machine with a PID hidden away behind the drip tray. 
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170114/e029f8484625d0d132f47309fec63bfe.png)
Video of me using this beauty, set to music :)
https://youtu.be/OM9N385V0BQ
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Brett H on 15/01/2017, 07:43 PM
Yep!  What's the price-point compared to the old Strega and UK's Linoleum R1??

Do you actually use the PID and if so, how often?
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: K_Bean_Coffee on 15/01/2017, 08:19 PM
Yep!  What's the price-point compared to the old Strega and UK's Linoleum R1??
Do you actually use the PID and if so, how often?
Hi Brett,
It's a class above the Strega but you pay for the privilege.  RRP is approx $4700.  It's a dream machine though.  Whisper quiet (pumpless) when plumbed in.  Also, a true dipper with a classic CMS group.
I know the Strega well.  It's OK for the $, but it's really an entry level Lever with compromises to keep the price down.
Cheers :) Paul
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Brett H on 16/01/2017, 12:58 AM
Shame I'm not closer to you to try one out.  Agree with your respectful assessment of the Strega. I love levers (have two now) but even at 2600 the Strega came up short for me.  Enjoy mate!
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Koffee Kosmo on 16/01/2017, 09:32 AM
Hi Brett,
It's a class above the Strega but you pay for the privilege.  RRP is approx $4700.  It's a dream machine though.  Whisper quiet (pumpless) when plumbed in.  Also, a true dipper with a classic CMS group.
I know the Strega well.  It's OK for the $, but it's really an entry level Lever with compromises to keep the price down.
Cheers :) Paul

How can you say the Strega is entry level
There is more than one model

All mechanical devises are built to a design
Any design can be enhanced or compromised

I happen to feel that the Strega has been enhanced by incorporating commercial and prosumer components

KK

Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: K_Bean_Coffee on 16/01/2017, 09:52 AM
Yep!  What's the price-point compared to the old Strega and UK's Linoleum R1??
Do you actually use the PID and if so, how often?
Hi Brett,
Yes, I use the PID to get the best temp for a blend.  If I have a coffee that's a little acidic I'll increase temp.  If it needs a little more brightness/florals I'll decrease temp.
Cheers :) Paul
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: K_Bean_Coffee on 16/01/2017, 10:05 AM
How can you say the Strega is entry level
Hi KK,
I know you love your Strega.
It's certainly not entry level as a machine but it's entry level as a lever.  High end dipper levers are $4.5k+
The things I don't like about the Strega are:
1. No PID
2. Plastic cover on top of the lever.
3. Domestic pressure stat.
4. It needs more weight at the back at it can tip forward when you pull the lever.
5. You can't add pressure during extraction.  You can reduce pressure by holding then lever back, but you can't increase pressure by pushing the lever forward.
6. The pump is noisy.  Noisy pumps are my major gripe with all Bezzeras.
7. With the HX design there's no way to run silently (without the pump)
An aftermarket PID fitting is a good option but by the time you pay for that you may as well have spent a little more to get a real dipper.
If I had $3k I would be buying a quality HX with and e61 would be my choice.  There are so any great HX machines at just under $3k.
Sorry to sound negative but believe me, all the points above are my honest assessments.
If you have a Strega, take a look at something like a Profitec Pro 500 and you'll be blown away by the difference.  It's apples and oranges.
Cheers, Paul :)
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Brett H on 16/01/2017, 11:25 AM
Hi KK,
I know you love your Strega.
It's certainly not entry level as a machine but it's entry level as a lever.  High end dipper levers are $4.5k+
The things I don't like about the Strega are:
1. No PID
2. Plastic cover on top of the lever.
3. Domestic pressure stat.
4. It needs more weight at the back at it can tip forward when you pull the lever.
5. You can't add pressure during extraction.  You can reduce pressure by holding then lever back, but you can't increase pressure by pushing the lever forward.
6. The pump is noisy.  Noisy pumps are my major gripe with all Bezzeras.
7. With the HX design there's no way to run silently (without the pump)
An aftermarket PID fitting is a good option but by the time you pay for that you may as well have spent a little more to get a real dipper.
If I had $3k I would be buying a quality HX with and e61 would be my choice.  There are so any great HX machines at just under $3k.
Sorry to sound negative but believe me, all the points above are my honest assessments.
If you have a Strega, take a look at something like a Profitec Pro 500 and you'll be blown away by the difference.  It's apples and oranges.
Cheers, Paul :)

I completely agree and it's funny you say but when I had $3k I tried the Strega and went straight out and bought a HX PID!  Luckily for my bank balance at the time this wasn't available!
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: K_Bean_Coffee on 16/01/2017, 12:09 PM
PIDed HX.....  I'm guessing that's a Giotto V3 PID Brett.  Am I correct?
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Koffee Kosmo on 16/01/2017, 01:59 PM
I have tried other levers from the small to the large even 2 group commercial
All good machines

Been roasting and drinking coffee before the age of 10
Of course those early years were with my grandmother
My extended family have been in the restaurant and cafe trade for decades

What I am trying to convey is that any machine can be sensational when the operator knows what they are doing and knows the roasted beans they are using
A good operator will and can adjust ones routine to suit the situation

For operators on the upgrade path, a Strega is an easier machine to use - while giving them equal footing to other machines equaling superior coffee

It could be argued that a machine with to many choices can be a hindrance

Let me further say that I also appreciate other styles of coffee where a machine is not nessasary  :angel:

KK


Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Lwowiak on 16/01/2017, 04:27 PM
Hi Brett,
Yes, I use the PID to get the best temp for a blend.  If I have a coffee that's a little acidic I'll increase temp.  If it needs a little more brightness/florals I'll decrease temp.
Cheers :) Paul

So, if your coffee is a little acidic, you increase the  temp. Please explain what and how, as the lever is a huge chunk of metal, and I am interested how you can accurately increase its temp. Where is the temp measured and how is the increase occurring?

If it needs more brightness/ florals (acidity in my language) then you decrease the temp. So at higher temps you are getting a lacklustre coffee, and at lower temps it is acidic. Too many variables that are not clarified, such as depth of roast, type of bean etc, etc.

I am a firm believer in simplicity, and am not convinced a PID is needed on a properly built and designed lever. Temperature stability is more important.

Out of interest, if your last coffee today is perfect, and you leave your grinder at the same setting, what is the result tomorrow morning (using the same coffee as today), when you:
Pull 6 espressos, one after the other, with a reasonable time lag in between for prep etc?
Assume machine has heated up (say 30-40 minutes).
For Example, using the same dose, and grind, pull 6  espressos without any adjustments.
What is the result in each cup, and how much does each pour differ?
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: K_Bean_Coffee on 16/01/2017, 05:16 PM
Hi again,
The PID allows me to increase or decrease the average group and water temp but there's nothing trivial/exact about it.  There's science and art and with the lever it's mostly art.  Too complicated for a short forum post to be honest.  This is stuff for conversation :)
Cheers
Paul

Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Koffee Kosmo on 16/01/2017, 05:42 PM
Regarding roast depth
I have stated on many occasions that the roast depth for espresso and the close correlation of the set temperature band on all espresso machines

Light roasts are not suited to espresso - even if the brew temperature can be adjusted
The reason for this is due to the coffee that's roasted on the light side - needs a longer steep time

KK
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Lwowiak on 16/01/2017, 06:36 PM
All Levers are wonderful, it just takes the right person to bring out the magic in them.

Some believe that only one type of group, made by a particular manufacturer surpasses all others.  ::) ::)
Others state that by using a smaller group size (less than the industry normal 58mm), the results are superior due to the depth and shape of the "unique" basket. :angel: Personally I think that not having a 58mm basket size, is a disadvantage.  >:D

Classifying certain levers as high end is nothing more than "shop talk". It is hard to define what makes a machine high end. Price is not necessarily a true indicator of quality. Some high end espresso machines (expensive) are very temperamental, high maintenance and prone to break down.

My imperfect (no precision laser cut panels here), lack lustre (no PID or renowned group) lever is still going strong, is very low maintenance and still manages to produce sensational coffee. The design is proven and tested (over decades), and copied by many. Coming from an artisan workshop, it would be sacrilegious to defile it hipster style, with unnecessary electronics.
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Brett H on 16/01/2017, 10:33 PM
What, not even Underglow lights and spinning light-up dials??

That's not a coffee machine, it's an homage to the Amish :D

Surely any lever with a rotary pump and 4+ litre boiler can be considered high-end if merely for the thermal stability and commercial parts.  I'm not interested in a PID because I don't drink lighter roasts as espresso but the bragging rights conflicts me. 

I mean sure we talk about category killers but I'm here to talk coffee not be a snob; but, if the old QM Achilles dies Ill come looking for a great price K-bean!  I will expect Underglow!!!

P.s I'm running low on coffee L ;)
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: K_Bean_Coffee on 16/01/2017, 11:27 PM
...... can be considered high-end if merely for the thermal stability and commercial parts.  I'm not interested in a PID because I don't drink lighter roasts as espresso but the bragging rights conflicts me.
Spot on Brett.  My lever with no pump in use (plumbed), 3L boiler and PID is great.  If the PID wasn't there I would still love the machine, and keep it.  The PID is nice to have but it's not something I have to have.  Cheers :)
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Koffee Kosmo on 17/01/2017, 10:01 PM
I can also say that the pull down handle design is superior on the Strega
They use a pair of large roller bearings to take the pressure and to operate smoother with equilibrium as opposed to a pin that wears

And that is why they use a cover - But if you don't like a cover it can be removed and you can see the movement in all its glory   

It will take a while but other manufacturers will follow suit
I look at design and its implementation

Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: K_Bean_Coffee on 18/01/2017, 11:21 AM
I see that you love your Strega KK.  That's awesome :)  We all have different opinions and sharing them (in a constructive way) is one of the beauties of forums.  Cheers :)  Paul
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: K_Bean_Coffee on 21/04/2017, 08:02 PM
Just thought this thread is the right one for me to share this vid of me pulling a shot on the Profitec Pro 800.
https://youtu.be/OM9N385V0BQ
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: askthe coffeeguy on 22/04/2017, 12:03 PM
Nice camera work and great musical accompaniment to the making of an espresso looks like a great shot that you pulled there
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: K_Bean_Coffee on 22/04/2017, 03:20 PM
Thanks.
The funny thing is that I took the video, added this music and the timing matched up almost perfectly with the shot first time.
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: LeroyC on 25/04/2017, 12:57 PM
I've wanted to get a lever for quite a while now, but never had the funds for one. I've been looking into the Flair Espresso recently and it looks pretty damn cool so I might just have to grab one I think. Nothing like the Profitec or Bezzera of course, but could still be a really cool little unit.
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Brett H on 25/04/2017, 03:29 PM
I've wanted to get a lever for quite a while now, but never had the funds for one. I've been looking into the Flair Espresso recently and it looks pretty damn cool so I might just have to grab one I think. Nothing like the Profitec or Bezzera of course, but could still be a really cool little unit.

I don't know it.  Google will again be my friend.

If I were to replace my current lever I'd have a very hard job indeed.  How big is the boiler on the Profitec? The Bosco is great but where are they and they'd be pretty good $
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: LeroyC on 26/04/2017, 07:31 AM
Flair Espresso user video.

https://youtu.be/ka7eb8G3GyU
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: askthe coffeeguy on 26/04/2017, 01:15 PM
I used a 4 group bosco in a commercial setting and it was a beast of a machine to ouse - made great coffee but the lag time between shots was frustrating plus it was extremely sensitive to tamp and grind, and needed to be backflushed regularly

still i dont think ive had a better espresso or long black than what I could produce on that machine especially with the double pull-down, extended extraction method!

p
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: LloydM on 01/05/2017, 09:18 PM
Just saw a Ponte Vecchio Lusso lever on eBay.   (In Victoria)
I don't know your site policy with links to external sites so won't put it on.   

Not interested myself but wonder if they are any good?
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Koffee Kosmo on 01/05/2017, 09:33 PM
When working well they are good machines and make good coffee

However if you encounter problems or need parts you will need to import from Italy
This info is from users here on Coffee Forum - search Lusso and you will see the whole discussion

KK 
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: LloydM on 01/05/2017, 09:40 PM
Thanks KK.   :)
Title: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: K_Bean_Coffee on 17/05/2017, 09:32 PM
The Profitec Pro 800 (https://www.kbean.com.au/espresso-machines/profitec-pro-800?rq=Pro%20800/) is now setup at Pomegranite Coffee Bar - 265C Bluff Road, Sandringham VIC. Phone 9598 2074.
Exciting as this is the first Cafe to serve only K Bean Coffee.
Feel free to visit. Nik is open to letting forum members have a play with his Pro 800 :)
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Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: mycuppa on 18/05/2017, 04:08 PM
K-Bean, if you are selling beans on a commercial basis, I hope you are aware of the requirement for a Council Permit (or permits which may be the case) and other compliance requirements for your roasting facility ?
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: lukemc on 18/05/2017, 04:37 PM
K-Bean, if you are selling beans on a commercial basis, I hope you are aware of the requirement for a Council Permit (or permits which may be the case) and other compliance requirements for your roasting facility ?
I know what you mean.  I've just started working my way through my councils requirements for setting up a small at home Roastery not difficult in reality but lots to know and lots to tick off before they grant a permit ☺️

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Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: K_Bean_Coffee on 22/05/2017, 10:05 AM
K-Bean, if you are selling beans on a commercial basis, I hope you are aware of the requirement for a Council Permit (or permits which may be the case) and other compliance requirements for your roasting facility ?
Good point and yes, absolutely :)
I'm sub-contracting my roasting now.
I definitely can't keep up with my own 1kg roaster.
Cheers, Paul
K Bean Dream Machines (http://www.kbean.com.au/)
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: West Village on 10/02/2018, 07:11 AM
Hey guys does anyone on the forum own or had any experiences with the manual flair espresso lever? Any thoughts on them ? Gimmicky or legitimate for good espresso?

I'd love to enter the world of levers but wanted to get a feel for them at an entry level and lower price point in the first instance. From what I read the flair could be a good option.

LeroyC - did you ever end up purchasing one?
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: LeroyC on 10/02/2018, 07:37 PM
Hey guys does anyone on the forum own or had any experiences with the manual flair espresso lever? Any thoughts on them ? Gimmicky or legitimate for good espresso?

I'd love to enter the world of levers but wanted to get a feel for them at an entry level and lower price point in the first instance. From what I read the flair could be a good option.

LeroyC - did you ever end up purchasing one?

No I haven’t bought one (yet). They’re getting quite good reviews. They are a touch fiddly apparently, but not too bad. And there’s some debate on whether you can get even close to 9bar pressure during an extraction. However all up they look to be a great buy at their current price.
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: askthe coffeeguy on 13/02/2018, 05:02 AM
No I haven’t bought one (yet). They’re getting quite good reviews. They are a touch fiddly apparently, but not too bad. And there’s some debate on whether you can get even close to 9bar pressure during an extraction. However all up they look to be a great buy at their current price.

They're a great looking device not a lot different in terms of flavour profile to a number of manual extraction methods I would  think but all. Kinds of awesome all the same!

P
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Dimal on 14/02/2018, 12:24 AM
G'day All...  ;D

I've been using a Flair for a couple of months now and can attest to the quality of the 'shots' they are capable of producing. Makes a beautiful espresso that is comparable to excellent shots I've been able to produce on various semi-auto espresso machines we've owned over the years.

As for their alleged 'fiddliness' to use, this is (as far as I'm concerned) highly exaggerated. I have very poor dexterity in both of  my hands, especially the left one, and I am able to manage the few steps required without difficulty and without dropping any of the components. As for whether they can actually produce a Brew Pressure of ~9.0 Bar? This just comes down to a simple maths problem...  ;)

Even when assuming a very pessimistic lever mechanical advantage of less than five to one, the required force to be applied to the end of the lever to achieve this is less than 24.0Kg. Well within the means of most people...  8)
The realistic mechanical advantage is closer to nine to one however.  :)

Hope this is of some help...

Mal.
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: askthe coffeeguy on 14/02/2018, 07:14 AM
G'day All...  ;D

I've been using a Flair for a couple of months now and can attest to the quality of the 'shots' they are capable of producing. Makes a beautiful espresso that is comparable to excellent shots I've been able to produce on various semi-auto espresso machines we've owned over the years.

As for their alleged 'fiddliness' to use, this is (as far as I'm concerned) highly exaggerated. I have very poor dexterity in both of  my hands, especially the left one, and I am able to manage the few steps required without difficulty and without dropping any of the components. As for whether they can actually produce a Brew Pressure of ~9.0 Bar? This just comes down to a simple maths problem...  ;)

Even when assuming a very pessimistic lever mechanical advantage of less than five to one, the required force to be applied to the end of the lever to achieve this is less than 24.0Kg. Well within the means of most people...  8)
The realistic mechanical advantage is closer to nine to one however.  :)

Hope this is of some help...

Mal.

Hey great feedback Malcolm -, I'd love to see some photos of your setup and the quality of the shots that you produce!

I've worked on lever machines before but never a manual lever, but I can definitely vouch for the superior shot quality from the lever extraction process!

Best,

Pat
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: West Village on 14/02/2018, 09:37 PM
Thanks for your comments and experiences shared Mal. I think that has just pushed me over the edge. Looks like I'll be joining the flair lever club shortly!!

Any other tips or tricks to getting the best out of it? I.e. Pre-heating techniques or amount/weight of coffee to use etc?

Anyone know if or when they will be selling the signature series of the flair in oz?
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Dimal on 15/02/2018, 10:13 PM
G'day 'WV'...  :)

No need to get too caught up in semantics with using a Flair.
I use a Hario kettle, heated on an Induction Hot Plate that once it is boiled, just set it to hold the temperature at just under boiling.
The body of the Group is placed into a Pyrex jug, hot water from the kettle added and the kettle is returned to the hot plate. Depending on what you intend to make with the coffee, you can also put hot water into a cup to heat up while you grind and fill the filter basket with coffee. I use ~15g ground to a normal espresso fineness, gently tamp the coffee with the supplied Tamper, put on the shower-screen, assemble the Group, tip out the water in the cup and then apply about 15-20Kg force to the Lever. In 30-35 seconds, Voila! A great coffee awaits...  ;D

Mal.
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: West Village on 18/02/2018, 04:34 PM
For those of you interested in the Flair signature model ( the shiny chrome and copper version). I just emailed the creator of the flair "Sergio", top bloke and very responsive to queries. He said that he had just mailed out a whole bunch of signature models to their Australian distributor whom he said should have them available any day now. I won't mention the distributor here in case I breach site policy.

Also asked Sergio if he had any plans for a wall mount version or adapter of some sort to allow this functionality. Whilst it wasn't on his immediate pipeline he did  encourage the flairs users to design and create it to which he would make public if deemed safe and within the design principals.

I believe a bottomless portafilter basket will be made available soon (according to HB forum). One to keep an eye on!
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: askthe coffeeguy on 20/02/2018, 11:45 AM
oh thanks for the update WV thats good to know - I prefer my equipment on the bench but a wall mount would be an awesome innovation!

P
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: West Village on 24/02/2018, 09:46 PM
Anyone come across the "Pull" lever espresso machines?

 American vintage style, built very impressively and like a tank with what appears to be quality craftsmanship .  Love to know your thoughts...
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Brett H on 17/03/2018, 09:42 PM
Yep... They look beautiful but you're ostensibly paying a big premium for a fancy 'skin' for your bog-standard commercial lever.  Who remembers the leather wrapped Miss Silvia??
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: K_Bean_Coffee on 28/03/2018, 12:43 PM
Who remembers the leather wrapped Miss Silvia??
Ummmmm... not me. Sounds a little crazy.
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: Brett H on 28/03/2018, 09:41 PM
Heat, Liquids, Stainless Steel tools... what could go wront
Title: Re: Lever Espresso Machines
Post by: K_Bean_Coffee on 16/04/2018, 08:27 PM
Heat, Liquids, Stainless Steel tools... what could go wront
Exactly :)


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