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« Reply #25 on: 17/07/2012, 04:58 PM »
First piccy of the new machine.  Looks lovely and compact. :)  Check out the latest updates on the blog!

http://londiniumespresso.com/blogs/londinium-espresso-blog

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« Reply #26 on: 17/07/2012, 05:52 PM »
That's a BFG!

(Big Effn Group!)
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« Reply #27 on: 17/07/2012, 06:51 PM »
First piccy of the new machine.  Looks lovely and compact. :)  Check out the latest updates on the blog!

http://londiniumespresso.com/blogs/londinium-espresso-blog

Looks like a nice small foot print.  I wonder how they'll be blinging it up?
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« Reply #28 on: 17/07/2012, 07:17 PM »
It is interesting to note the comments
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As expected the biggest challenge is to stop the strength of the spring tipping the machine over
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To design a machine that doesn't tip over with the force of a full commercial group has been something of a challenge, but as the images we hope to post here today will show it is one that has been overcome.  This has been the most difficult aspect of the project.
The small footprint would make this challenging but I wonder if the black metal band at the front where the drip tray will sit is offering the additional stability. It is hard to tell how far out it comes but the reflection seems to indicate a reasonable distance.
There is a lot of metal to get up to temperature in 3 1/2 minutes
I can just see this sitting on my kitchen bench.

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« Reply #29 on: 17/07/2012, 07:54 PM »
I'm pegging 2000 pounds for one of these - any other speculators?

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« Reply #30 on: 17/07/2012, 08:21 PM »
wow!
do want!!!

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« Reply #31 on: 17/07/2012, 09:18 PM »
Looks like a nice small foot print.  I wonder how they'll be blinging it up?

From the blog is seems they are avoiding the shiny stainless steel box route.  Personally I think a perspex shell would be nice, especially after hearing about the copper boiler!  But I think it will be a painted shell, which to be honest I prefer.

The group is a commerical group, so yep, it's big.  It's looks very compact.

Hatchy, they are aiming for 1500 pounds.  If they stick to that I'm hoping to have one in my kitchen by Christmas!  This machine is shaping up to be the machine for me.  Ticking all the boxes!!!!

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« Reply #32 on: 17/07/2012, 09:40 PM »
Damn, I was really keen on one of these.. Ticked all my boxes as well, but a beautifully restored Faema Lambro came up at a price too good to refuse..

I wonder what the shipping will be from England, because if they can keep it at
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« Reply #33 on: 17/07/2012, 10:15 PM »

Only time will tell and as you have found out... A bird in the hand is still better than one in development  :thumb:

Very true.... TDF
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« Reply #34 on: 17/07/2012, 10:44 PM »
Damn, I was really keen on one of these.. Ticked all my boxes as well, but a beautifully restored Faema Lambro came up at a price too good to refuse..

I wonder what the shipping will be from England, because if they can keep it at

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« Reply #35 on: 17/07/2012, 10:51 PM »
Ill post pics of mine, if you post pics of your when we both have them..  :thumb:
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« Reply #36 on: 18/07/2012, 09:59 AM »
Hot off the press
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The dimensions of Londinium I are approximately; 500mm deep, 375mm wide and 300mm high, plus the height of the lever.  The depth may change, but this is what it measures today

Also they are using toggle/joystick controls on the hot water/steam.  I hope they can flick on, and stay on or that would be a pain in the arse.

AM, if your reading are you up for making some custom handles, and toggles for me?

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« Reply #37 on: 18/07/2012, 10:15 AM »

The dimensions of Londinium I are approximately; 500mm deep, 375mm wide and 300mm high, plus the height of the lever.  The depth may change, but this is what it measures today

Hot off the press
Also they are using toggle/joystick controls on the hot water/steam.  I hope they can flick on, and stay on or that would be a pain in the arse.


Not much different than the Strega is dinentions @  W 330 D 450 H 400 & 710 with handle
They may copy the toggle on the Strega as it has a lock "ON" in the up Possition and manual hold elsewhere

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« Reply #38 on: 18/07/2012, 11:30 AM »


Mind you; quality timber is  required as I am over trying to use left overs and other stuff.  Kiln dried and turning blanks are the best.

Pussy  :rofl:

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« Reply #39 on: 18/07/2012, 01:04 PM »
My previous life as a PI has finally come in handy.....

I reckon that just by looking at the photo, seems like it was taken at a workshop with what looks like Fracino machines in the background and the drip tray and switches (and dimensions reorted) on the prototype look like they've been lifted / modelled off the Fracino Cherub machine...makes sense Fracino are UK based machines

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« Reply #40 on: 12/08/2012, 09:53 AM »
You could be spot-on with your legwork, Seeya Latte.

Both the Fracino Heavenly and Cherub models also have a 2.3 litre boiler and an element rating (in England) of 2850 watts. Either of these models could be the platform upon which the Londinium 1 is being based.

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« Reply #41 on: 30/08/2012, 12:43 PM »
..and they mention trips to Birmingham to check the prototype build.
   Fracino are in Birmingham .  ;)

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« Reply #42 on: 30/08/2012, 08:03 PM »
Makes perfect sense.

The Londinium, made in Birmingham. :thumb:
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« Reply #43 on: 30/08/2012, 08:56 PM »
There has been a lot of info on their blog about the machine.  I've been keeping up to date with it.

A few changes have been made, the pump will basically operate like the Strega, running as every shot is pulled, for a few secs to fill the boiler.  The reasoning was to make it more temperature stable, so lots of little fills of water, rather than one big fill of water.  They haven't mentioned what pump then are using yet.

A few things mentioned lately about the machine are:

No sight glass, it will have water level sensors instead.
No ballast to keep the machine stable while pulling the lever down.  Does the Strega have this?
Dry weight of the machine is probably going to come close to 35Kg  ???
Sirai pressure stat has been spec'd
They are using hardwood grips for the handles
They will have a model with glass side panels and clear coat boiler & pipework.  Nice!
They are supplying a combination carbon water filter & ion exchange water softener in the tank so we don't have to use Volvic bottle water in it.   :rofl:  Sorry still get a laugh at this everytime.  The water must be really bad in London!
Forged chromed brass portafilter holders
A kit will be made available for plumbing Londinium I into a mains water supply (Please note that this kit does not bypass or eliminate the water pump)

Also earlier on they mentioned in the blog that they designed the top so that you can't put cups on it to warm them up.  Not sure about their reasoning, but they suggest the it warms up quick, and that people will just turn on, and use, and turn off.  But then later start talking about temperature stable groups.   :doh:  Seems a bit inconsistant.  Anyway, I like having my cups up on the top warming up.

So, really for me it's a toss up between the Strega, or the Londinium I.

Mmmmm.

So there you go.  I'm still considering one,  but a few of the decisions they have made have put me off a bit.  Still a good call on the glass side panels and clear coat boiler & pipework model.  That would look seriously trick.  I always thought after all the work borat did on his machine that it the internals deserved to be shown off!

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« Reply #44 on: 30/08/2012, 09:29 PM »
The pump is disappointing.  I'll stick with my Junior Extra PID and use the Pavoni for lever fun.   In light of this If i was in the market I'd go for the Strega: tried, tested available now....that is, if I didn't already own the most awesome machine in the universe  :P
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« Reply #45 on: 30/08/2012, 10:36 PM »
The pump is disappointing. 
Sounds just like the debate over the Strega in its early days ! ;)
 No reason why the same "pump bypass" ..as some did on the Strega...could not be done if desired ?

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« Reply #46 on: 31/08/2012, 08:01 AM »
Don't forget that the Strega already does come in 3 combinations, Factory built
So if one desires a silent version then the no pump plumed in version is available

Having said that I actually have greater control with the pump

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« Reply #47 on: 31/08/2012, 08:35 AM »
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i've joined this forum to answer any questions you may have about the Londinium I lever espresso machine

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« Reply #48 on: 31/08/2012, 10:12 AM »

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Welcome Reiss.
Glad you found this forum.

Could you post up a run down on the specs and estimated price (including delivery to Oz)?


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« Reply #49 on: 31/08/2012, 10:20 AM »
hi

GBP1500 incl 20% VAT, which will not be charged for exports outside the EU

you are looking at about GBP200 for FEDEX door to door to Australia, which depending on how Aussie customs feel, should reach you in about a week.  its a fully tracked service anyway, so you can see exactly how far away it is

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2.3L copper boiler
2800W or 2400W for NZ/AUS if preferred so it runs on 10A, but id recommend the full fat 2800W experience if you can
big 'ol spring group with thermosiphon
vibe pump (i know, i know, but the guys making it assure me they have used it in their other machines for years and it is very reliable)
looking at about 550mm(d) x 320(w) x 320 (h)
GBP1500 is for the base model with stainless sides and black synthetic handles
there will also be a more expensive version with glass side panels & polished copper boiler & pipes that has then been clear coated so it won't tarnish
& that's about it think

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