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« Reply #75 on: 20/11/2012, 11:42 AM »
Hi JRedford and welcome...

The dual-floor basket will and won't improve your shots. It'll improve the look of them, insofar as the pressurised baskets create a false crema that you wouldn't get otherwise. It'll also improve the shot duration a little, so they won't be quite as much of a gusher as they are now - but they'll still be from stale beans that lack the vital oils to make good coffee.

You'd be better off upgrading the quality of your beans instead!

Here on the Sunshine Coast you have a number of great options:

1) Pioneer roastery in Yandina
2) Order online from one of the sponsors (always a great option!)
3) Tim Adams is also here on the coast, but his site isn't fully operational yet - you can email him tho.

You'll get far great enjoyment and quality coffee out of fresh beans (it needs to be roasted within the last month - a use-by date just means that it's already stale!) than you will out of a dual-floor basket alone.

When considering the grinder upgrade, check out the Breville Smart Grinder also - it's what I use and considered by many to be the absolute bare minimum for good espresso.

We've got a few members here on the coast now, so look out for the next social - those are always a blast! Where are you located?
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« Reply #76 on: 20/11/2012, 11:49 AM »
Welcome to the forum and congratulations on the upcoming marriage  :thumb:
As noted you need fresh beans if using a standard porta filter

Having said that ? Are the porta filters the same and possibly fit/interchange on both machines ? 

Once you master the machine as a standard (without the  dual floor baskets) you will never look back and the coffee will be more true to form

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« Reply #77 on: 20/11/2012, 12:42 PM »
I do want to upgrade to a half decent grinder like the EM0480 or 490 but due to getting married in two months, it's not that high on the priority list :( It IS on the gift registry though!  :D

Welcome.

If I had to buy a budget grinder I would also buy a breville smart grinder over a Sunbeam EM0480.  Function, and ease of use would be much better.  I've used Kelsey's and it's nice to use.

Not sure where you are on the Sunshine Coast, but there are a few of us spread about, and if you need a hand I'm sure we could help out.

Pioneer Roastery in Yandina are the best on the coast in my opinion.  Their roasts are very consistent and I've never had an issue in any of my machines.  Have a chat with Kate the roaster there, she's lovely and can point you in the right direction with your bean choices.  Others sometimes roast too light for my liking.

There is also home roasting, which is great fun and is a lot cheaper than buying, but with a small outlay of $$$ to get set up.

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« Reply #78 on: 20/11/2012, 12:59 PM »
Hello and thank you very much Kelsey, Koffee Kosmo & Lacehim!

I will definitely be getting fresh beans...the ones I have now embarrassingly beyond the use-by-date.

Have you guys heard of newbielink:http://kaicoffee.com [nonactive]?
My friend owns this company and they supply to a few cafes around the coast. I enjoy their beans so I will pick up some of those ASAP. I haven't tried Pioneers roast but have heard only good things about them so I will get some of theirs too.

I am located in Buderim but my (future) wife and I will be moving to Brisbane next year so I'll only be on the coast for another 2 months, but I like the sound of social meets!

Thanks for the advice RE grinder - the Breville smart grinder sounds perfect for my needs... ^-^

Lacehim - I have thought about home roasting...do you do it yourself? Definitely something I'll look into in the future!


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« Reply #79 on: 20/11/2012, 01:05 PM »

The Breville Smart Grinder is I believe the minimum required standard (it's what I use also). You can usually pick these up for under $200.

I can't see any for under $200? Where abouts have you seen this grinder for such a sweet price? :)


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« Reply #80 on: 20/11/2012, 01:11 PM »
Hello and thank you very much Kelsey, Koffee Kosmo & Lacehim!

I will definitely be getting fresh beans...the ones I have now embarrassingly beyond the use-by-date.

Have you guys heard of Kai Coffee ?
My friend owns this company and they supply to a few cafes around the coast. I enjoy their beans so I will pick up some of those ASAP. I haven't tried Pioneers roast but have heard only good things about them so I will get some of theirs too.

I am located in Buderim but my (future) wife and I will be moving to Brisbane next year so I'll only be on the coast for another 2 months, but I like the sound of social meets!

Thanks for the advice RE grinder - the Breville smart grinder sounds perfect for my needs... ^-^

Lacehim - I have thought about home roasting...do you do it yourself? Definitely something I'll look into in the future!

Koffee Kosmo invented an entirely new method of roasting, which Lacehim and I both use.

You can read more about it here: http://koffeekosmo.com.au and also on a wiki in my signature.

It's a fun way of getting much more in tune with your coffee and exploring it to its fullest.

I haven't come across Kai before, but I'll definitely look out for them next time I'm in Buderim.

We also have a number of Brisbane members. KK, Derrilex and AM are all Brisbane based and usually make it to most socials.

The BSG can be had for as little as $169 during sales, but there don't appear to be any on at the moment. Keep your eyes peeled and be ready to jump on it when it happens. I'd look out for it on the Click Frenzy sales tonight.

Alternatively our sponsors also have higher quality grinders available!
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« Reply #81 on: 20/11/2012, 01:30 PM »
Koffee Kosmo invented an entirely new method of roasting, which Lacehim and I both use.

You can read more about it here: newbielink:http://koffeekosmo.com.au [nonactive] and also on a wiki in my signature.

It's a fun way of getting much more in tune with your coffee and exploring it to its fullest.

I haven't come across Kai before, but I'll definitely look out for them next time I'm in Buderim.

We also have a number of Brisbane members. KK, Derrilex and AM are all Brisbane based and usually make it to most socials.

The BSG can be had for as little as $169 during sales, but there don't appear to be any on at the moment. Keep your eyes peeled and be ready to jump on it when it happens. I'd look out for it on the Click Frenzy sales tonight.

Alternatively our sponsors also have higher quality grinders available!

That's awesome! Looks like that would be a cool experience to roast your own beans - definitely up for trying it!

Thanks for the heads up on Click Frenzy. I'll let you know if I snap up a good price on the Smart Grinder!



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« Reply #82 on: 20/11/2012, 01:34 PM »
No worries. Lacehim and I built our own with some parts purchased from KK, but you can also get started with just a popcorn popper - the results aren't comparable, but it's an easy way to get started.
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« Reply #83 on: 20/11/2012, 01:40 PM »
askthecoffeeguy got one for $169 from a factory seconds shop.  http://www.bestcafes.com.au/forum/grinders/breville-smart-grinder/msg34541/#msg34541
If you haggle I recon you could get the goodguys down to $199.  They had that pricing last year on ozbargains. :)

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« Reply #84 on: 20/11/2012, 03:27 PM »
Welcome EM7000 owner and new member JRedford.  I'm coming to the conversation late it concur with everything above.  The Sunbeam EM0450 is the cheapest suitable grinder but as with all things, you get what you pay for.  The Breville is hands-down the best value for money on paper but I'm more likely to match a machine like the Breville with a Eureka Mignon, Vario or even the good old Rocky.  This way when you upgrade the machine, the grinder will last for many years more.

As an alternative, I have a Nemox Lux that is almost 15 years old, cost $300 and still grinds well enough for my Pavoni Lever.  Sometimes paying skittle more now can be a saving later.  Food for thought and welcome!
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« Reply #85 on: 20/11/2012, 03:56 PM »
I really need to have someone(s) come around with their grinder(s) (Lacehim's Vario would be a nice start ;) ) to do some taste-testing.

My own situation is unusual in that I've done some backroom deals to get a machine far better than I could otherwise afford. Consequently it's paired with what many everyone considers to be a sub-standard grinder for the machine.

I'm in no position to disagree, except insofar as I feel my shots are for the most part godly, tiger-mottled and regularly induce raptures of pleasure. At least for me. ;)

It'd be great to be able to do a/b tests with the BSG against a couple of better grinders at some point.
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« Reply #86 on: 20/11/2012, 04:59 PM »
I don't think you'll taste a huge difference between the grinders to be honest.  The Breville may even beat the Rocky in a taste test (subjectivity aside).  I kinda think the grinder is the boring part of the equation, like the footings of the house.  You want to know you did the best you could at the time and then forget them and enjoy the good stuff.

My Addison's drugs must be messing with my head!  I can't think straight.
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« Reply #87 on: 20/11/2012, 05:07 PM »

My Addison's drugs must be messing with my head!  I can't think straight.

Addisons ? really ? wow Brett.

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« Reply #88 on: 20/11/2012, 05:15 PM »
I don't think you'll taste a huge difference between the grinders to be honest.  The Breville may even beat the Rocky in a taste test (subjectivity aside).  I kinda think the grinder is the boring part of the equation, like the footings of the house.  You want to know you did the best you could at the time and then forget them and enjoy the good stuff.

My Addison's drugs must be messing with my head!  I can't think straight.

No kidding - that certainly goes against conventional wisdom!

I agree that grinders are pretty boring in general, with the possible exception of the Pharos. Don't ask me why, it just intrigues me.

Certainly I didn't expect to have as good a machine as I did when I bought the Breville.
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« Reply #89 on: 20/11/2012, 05:21 PM »
Addisons ? really ? wow Brett.


It's a new and fabulous diagnosis that is ongoing.  Thank goodness I love needles and blood tests... YAY another tomorrow!!! Sadly I won't be out playing with any EM7000s or a bit but the demo I saw in Merlos last month looked terrific. 

It's great that AM was able to so concisely articulate all that I saw (Merlo demo) in his great review.  My only regret was not lining up for a coffee from the machine because the espresso pours looked good.. But I haven't been 100% since June and my coffee intake is less than it used to be.   Good news is, barring complications I will be back to normal shortly.  I'm drinking 2 coffees a day presently.
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« Reply #90 on: 20/11/2012, 05:28 PM »
Brett the 7000 can do the business no problems. The shot/s I had at AM's while playing were great. If I were in that market I would drop money on one over a BDB - partially because I'm not familiar with the BDB but mainly because I have a soft spot for Sunbeams and the 7000 looks to be a quantum leap forward over the 6910.

PS - would have thought you could get a pair of sympathy cufflinks easily  :rofl:

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« Reply #91 on: 20/11/2012, 05:30 PM »
No kidding - that certainly goes against conventional wisdom!

I am doing my darnedest to not get hung up on brands.  That's why I'm here in this thread.  The idea of cheaper and better has always intrigued me.  My modes operandi is to buy the right tools for the job once and look after them.  Brand is less important than form and function. 

I do particularly like your quote above however: "upgrading your quality of beans".  These machines could all be Swayer slayers but without good quality fresh brown beans, you should save your money and drink tea.

Not cuff links DX, handcuffs so I don't run away from the blood tests!  ;)
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« Reply #92 on: 20/11/2012, 06:45 PM »
But still we better get back on topic.  This is the EM7000 thread, not the Breville Smart grinder thread! ;)

It really surprised me that Sunbeam didn't include the dual floor baskets.  They are going to be getting lots and lots of contact from frustrated customers with a move like that.

I don't know what the manual says about beans, or where to get them from but from my previous experiences, any beans with a best before date or use by date is completely useless in a machine with a standard basket.  I would actually go as far to say, if it has no date, or a use by or best before date, just keep on walking!

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« Reply #93 on: 20/11/2012, 06:48 PM »


I would actually go as far to say, if it has no date, or a use by or best before date, just keep on walking!

That's my rule of thumb also.
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« Reply #94 on: 20/11/2012, 10:40 PM »


It really surprised me that Sunbeam didn't include the dual floor baskets.  They are going to be getting lots and lots of contact from frustrated customers with a move like that.



Maybe so but if you think about it, the BDB has come out taking a leap above the machines you find in normal retailers.

Sunbeam has retaliated with the 7000. Putting dual floors in with it then lessens the impact of the area of market they are trying to attack, no?

If people want dual floors there are other products in their line up that cater for them and Sunbeam may now be of an opinion that they don't really need a 7000 if they want dual floors...

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« Reply #95 on: 21/11/2012, 09:17 AM »
I am running into more and more people that are going with either PODS and or Autos for what they see is time saving and a cup of coffee that is better than they get in most cafes.  And that says something about the quality out there is a White-good Auto and Supermarket beans out perform the majority of cafes 

And while it may be a local issue, of the 4 I have spoken to recently,  they are all total Apple users.   As one stated to me, why do I need to know stuff, get an Apple and it works. Same as Coffee - POD is simple and it works, any thing else is like Microsoft; always waiting for patch Tuesday !!!
This is not a local issue. It summarizes the majority of the country, and is a very accurate assessment. I encounter this all the time. There are more "baristas" in the workforce churning out crap coffee in cafes, restaurants, hotels etc, etc .. then there are coffee enthusiasts.

However, please note that these POD machine owners will hotly defend their machine as the best product in the marketplace. They will also justify their purchase of it by saying that it makes better coffee than their local cafe. Whether this is true or not is irrelevant, as in their minds it has paid for itself very quickly, and they are very happy with it, just like their fruity technology. They will also continue to frequent their local cafe (and buy coffee there) whilst blogging, twitting, fbooking how good kawfee is at home.

This is a mentality cleverly and subtly marketed by the world's largest companies in their respective fields of business. They develop a faith and following that is reminiscent of religion.  :stir
In hindsight, when did marketing really begin...................... :lamp:
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« Reply #96 on: 21/11/2012, 09:35 AM »

However, please note that these POD machine owners will hotly defend their machine as the best product in the marketplace. They will also justify their purchase of it by saying that it makes better coffee than their local cafe.

And of course there is the George Clooney factor :rofl:

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« Reply #97 on: 21/11/2012, 09:58 AM »
Note that I am an Apple user, but I represent the Apple user of old - digital creative professionals for the most part who for many years could only really work on an Apple as the tools for us to work effectively didn't exist on Windows.

I continue to be an Apple user because I still believe it to be a superior platform for MY needs and workflow - there are no absolutes here people. And before any questions, I worked in on-site Windows tech support for years.

The new breed of Mac users are here for two reasons - it is an easier platform to use in many respects, or at least it was. That's been eroded significantly over the last few OSX releases. Fashion, is of course, the other reason. That's what riles up so many Windows users, I suspect.

And if there's two things that drive the uptake of pod machines it's fashion and ease of use. As an ex-Nespresso owner I can testify to their product being average. Neither good nor bad. Certainly acceptable for someone who doesn't fuss about their coffee and probably drinks it in milk. They absolutely are on par with many cafe coffees I've had - and I drink straight no-sugar espresso.

Suffice it to say that I WILL drink Nespresso at friends and family but there are many cafes where I won't bother drinking the coffee.

But back to the topic at hand....

There's no disconnect between my being an Apple user and a coffee fanatic - they're both aspects of being a maker and a creative professional.

Although it'll create a great deal of trouble for their support departments (who I hope have been trained with the appropriate 'buy good beans, buy a grinder' mantra) it's also a brave move and signals to people like us that this is a machine primarily intended for our kind of people. Or perhaps those who want to be, but haven't previously been able to afford it.
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« Reply #98 on: 21/11/2012, 10:24 AM »
And of course there is the George Clooney factor :rofl:

The gospel according to Clooney :rofl:
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« Reply #99 on: 21/11/2012, 10:41 AM »
Kelsey,
This is by no means a condemnation of a product. They are all fit for purpose. :stir

The point is, we have to realize the brand and product loyalty that Fruit technology has amassed, is on a par with the Church of POD and their prophet Clooney. They ("N") have developed their own teachings and sexual inuendos which are becoming prevalent and are being copied and referred to by the masses.

Look at a Nespresso boutique and marvel how closely it resembles an Apple store.

Methinks there is a little bit of ristretto in all of us.
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