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« Reply #50 on: 20/10/2014, 04:11 PM »
I believe it can, I was offered the shorter hopper but chose the standard as I think I'm going to adjust my prep significantly.
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« Reply #51 on: 20/10/2014, 06:25 PM »
Nice Kelsey
Haven't heard much about this one. Keep us posted on progress
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« Reply #52 on: 20/10/2014, 06:28 PM »

I'll be switching to an Acai scale soon to find out.

I use a Acaia balance with the HG-One, its in a class of its own as far as coffee balances go, looks very cool too!
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« Reply #53 on: 20/10/2014, 07:29 PM »
If I had a dollar for everyone who told me my coffee was unbeatable and that if I opened a cafe I'd make a killing... I wouldn't need to open a cafe ;)

Obviously you weren't serving up the Merlo Forza .. eh Brettmate  :stir

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« Reply #54 on: 20/10/2014, 10:16 PM »
Compak have done a fair bit of optimization with their grind on demand equipment - particularly the augers and the motors.

The E10 is relatively new (there are 2 models, same as there are 2x F10 models), so I can't tell from the pic if it's the Master or not.

A couple of weeks ago I bought a new F10 Master OD - which is the big brother of the E10/F10 model - has a larger motor and slightly faster rpm. There is an E10 Master as well.

The latest toy we are eagerly waiting in the new benchmark in high-performance grinders - the Mazzer Kold - which by all accounts has some serious stability during busy workloads. It should be - damn expensive !

I should have mentioned that 3 months ago we had a NS Mythios 1 Clima Pro in the cafe and bench tested it against the Robur E and Kony E. The Mythios 1 has an insanely good dosing system - apparently they spent almost 2 years trying to work out how to disperse the static and get the ground coffee to form into a perfect pyramid on the portafilter (which it also holds into place whilst dosing). Yep, they certainly did a fantastic job - it forms a perfect pile with ZERO spillage.

The average stats on a busy cafe doing say 40kg per week with a Robur E - about 1.5 kg plus per week in wastage. The Mythios 1 helps with the ROI in that case.

The other area the Mythios 1 was superb is the almost negligible 2g of retained grounds due to the 60 deg angle the burrs are mounted.

Where the Mythios 1 fell down - it was a bit slow and cup quality not comparable with the Robur E or Kony E. (I know for sure I will cop a hiding for this statement but you can't hide from the facts !). 

The Mythios 1 is not a conical I don't think.

The F10 Master OD is a seriously grunty grinder. My only dislike is the pulse button throws too much coffee (2g) - this is an area that Mazzer's have clear leadership. Kelsey, you may also find that is the case for you as well !




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« Reply #55 on: 21/10/2014, 11:21 AM »
I'm still getting used to it, but will report back once I've worked on my technique.

It's the E10 Conic OD, I felt the Master was probably overkill! ;)

There is a small amount of retention that I can see shining a bright light up the chute, but not a huge amount. I've found a couple of pulses tends to dislodge most of it.

There are two things that I massively appreciate about this grinder (not in order of appreciation):

1) The speed.
Holy mother of god, this thing is fast. It gets through my 15.8g shots in 4s or less. It's also quiet and 'feels' solid as hell when it kicks in.

After being on the Breville and the Rocky for so long, the speed of this thing is a very welcome change.

2) Taste
It really is like getting a new machine. I've been drinking Lamkin Lane's Seasonal Blend for a while now because Justine likes it. I haven't been a fan, but felt it was a nice, solid brew, very drinkable but a bit homogenous and not particularly interesting.

The grinder changes all of that. As it turns out, it's a blend bursting with flavour and a very interesting, rich and multi-layered blend that stays with you long after the espresso has finished.

I would never have known had it not been for the Compak (and the L1, of course).

In time, I'll be changing my technique significantly. I believe that single dosing the way I have been going about it (pre-weighing, dose at a time) is probably not going to work as well on this grinder.

Instead I plan to get an Acai scale and simply fill the hopper with beans (grinder will be out) and dose by weight output. The weight of a hopper full of beans should prevent popcorning and I'll simply purge a gram or two at the start of my routine.


The NS Mythos looks like it's intended to be a deli grinder? I couldn't tell from their brochures whether it's got vertically mounted burrs or not.

A couple of my industry contacts have been using the EK43, the Compak R120 or have tried both. Lamkin Lane runs an EK43 for single-dosed espresso shots, but they've burned through one motor already. Londinium espresso were also using an EK43 for a while, but are now preferring the Compak - same type of grinder conceptually however.
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« Reply #56 on: 21/10/2014, 01:03 PM »
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The Mythios is definitely an espresso grinder. It was 3 years in the engineering and exhaustive testing in some key cafe environments in Europe.

I am surprised that EK43 motors would be failing. Those grinders are built over-spec to run in roasteries almost all day, every day.

As with any grinder, regardless of brand or reputation, there is the all-important duty cycle. This defines the on-off periods the equipment was designed for.

I have a Compak R120 in my factory. It has been a good deli grinder for many years now. Recently, I replaced the burrs (which was something like $800) and it's not been the same since. Not to say that anything is wrong with the R120 - I will get to the bottom of what's causing the issue - it's probably my fault actually.

Using the R120 in a cafe for OD grinding would be hilarious. It is super-fast (1kg in about 60 - 90 seconds) There is quite a lot of retention though which means it would be difficult to use unless you were doing back-to-back shots.

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« Reply #57 on: 21/10/2014, 02:54 PM »
Obviously you weren't serving up the Merlo Forza .. eh Brettmate  :stir

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I think my point here was talk is cheap.  The same folk would expect a free coffee from my cafe and then tell me that Gloria Jeans is better cause the girl puts the sugar in first.

Great discussion guys.  Where did you buy frm Kelsey and do they do a Crema deal?
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« Reply #58 on: 21/10/2014, 09:51 PM »
I think the duty cycle is probably the problem: grind big lots for long periods of time, no problem. Start stop single dosing? Could be putting undue strain on the motor.

Either way, the EK I've experienced (as a custom) on too many occasions to count. The R120 not at all, so it's all second hand.

Brett, I got it from Londinium. On the numbers you can get it cheaper here once you account for shipping and GST (no duty is payable) but I specifically wanted the polished aluminum finish, which is a bit extra.

No discounts as far as I know, but I'll check.
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« Reply #59 on: 21/10/2014, 09:51 PM »
A better shot
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« Reply #60 on: 21/10/2014, 11:20 PM »
Ooooh, shiny. Then again, $2500 should buy some lustre. :rofl:

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« Reply #61 on: 22/10/2014, 05:42 PM »
Brilliant Kel!  What numbers are we talking??
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« Reply #62 on: 22/10/2014, 09:25 PM »
Roughly 4 secs for my 15.8g dose. A bit hard to tell exactly because I don't hold the button down - just use a 3s and then a 2s, by which time it's well and truly done grinding.
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« Reply #63 on: 22/10/2014, 10:55 PM »
Man, that's quick

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« Reply #64 on: 23/10/2014, 07:11 AM »
Showing my age here, but I noticed you sign Kelsey (love it)

and I remember it,  but not 5c  but at 10 cents for a bottomless cup.
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« Reply #65 on: 24/10/2014, 08:44 AM »
Yeah, it's fast alright - when I seasoned the burrs with a full hopper I had a look to see how quick the PF filled.

I'd put it at around 2s with a full hopper.

CMan - it was a present from a friend and while I never saw coffee that cheap I love the sign.
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« Reply #66 on: 24/10/2014, 08:42 PM »
Ooooh, shiny. Then again, $2500 should buy some lustre. :rofl:

Kelsey didn't pay duty so it's under $1K.  At that price it's a category killer!!
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« Reply #67 on: 24/10/2014, 10:05 PM »
No, D was closer to the mark I'm afraid, I paid GST, but I'm now fairly well versed in what duty applies to - and to this it doesn't!
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« Reply #68 on: 24/10/2014, 11:09 PM »
Should have got it stripped down and sent over as spare parts :D

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« Reply #69 on: 25/10/2014, 03:05 PM »
Still have to pay duty over the $1K!  Seperate boxes... No probs but what if they loose a box   :rofl:

How's that chute to sweep Kel???

Clumping??

Do you free/single dose and if so how does that work?
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« Reply #70 on: 25/10/2014, 03:57 PM »
I picked up an E10 the same as Kelsey's from the good folks @ Compak HQ Port Melbourne yesterday to trial in a cafe.

Must say, I love the new software on the Essential OD - it's super easy to use and adjusting the 3 different dosage amounts is quick and precise.

One of the big improvements in the new E10 is the pulse button has a much lower run time, e.g. more like a Mazzer.

The light that shines on the dosing area is also pretty cool.

Brett - free-dosing on large grinders can be a bit challenging due to the speed. Takes a bit of practice to know when to stop - even half a second and you can have up to a few grams. The new shorter pulse certainly helps as it's more responsive.


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« Reply #71 on: 26/10/2014, 10:24 AM »
Agreed Jeff, I don't think I'll be free dosing any time soon, although I do plan to switch to having a full hopper and timed dosing. After playing around with a kilo of stale beans, I can see the value in having a weight of beans on the burrs, as opposed to the popcorning I get single dosing.

Single dosing works tho, and works well. I find that using the default 3s setting gets through the actual grind, then a couple of pulses dislodges most of the rest.

I shined a torch up the chute to check out the retention - there was some, which after sweeping out and weighing amounted to .9g. No biggie.

There is clumping, but it's minimal and I'm not convinced that all types of clumping are a problem anyway - most break up with a tap of the PF on the bench and I'm not getting any channeling.

I'm looking forward to the holidays so I have some time to tear down my Londinium and give it a service and throw on some of the upgrades Reiss has sent over. At the same time I'll be playing with timed dosing and learning the software of the grinder. Hopefully that means it will be a very caffeinated christmas!
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« Reply #72 on: 03/11/2014, 06:34 PM »
Please find enclosed my nomination for joining the LCGOC.
The hopper was way to big and had some unsightly wear and tear marks that I could do without.
Might have been a bit severe with the reduction though.
I didn't think the lid would fit a partial reduction in height because the top was recessed in diameter for the lid.
So I went as low as funnel start to ensure a fit.

From the user point of view, I noticed a big improvement with the pour over the Mazzer Mini after a few setting corrections.

One thing that I found different was that no matter what I did, I couldn't grind fine enough on the mini to get a good pour of the  Monsoon Malabar/
With the BNZ I almost choked the Strega!  :o
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« Reply #73 on: 04/11/2014, 12:41 AM »
now that's one short hopper Kevohere, maybe just a little radical  :pan

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« Reply #74 on: 04/11/2014, 02:13 PM »
Yep, maybe a little on the radical side Chester, but it will still hold 150+gms with the lid on.
Can't see myself making that many coffees in one session too often.

As I said earlier, the hopper had several noticeable scuff marks around it and the size sort of took the eye away from the Strega.  ;)
And with the LEDs and mirror to the side, above and back of it........ well, it was an easy decision to make IMO.

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