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« Reply #50 on: 21/10/2016, 02:04 PM »
and for those people who are not familiar with specific Australianisms / ozspeak:

"...Furphy..."
A noun meaning a rumour or story, especially one that is untrue or absurd....


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« Reply #51 on: 21/10/2016, 02:22 PM »

Mate if you are going to keep throwing the names of competing brands to my own into the discussion, then as a paying sponsor of this forum I will have to reply to your comment with this blatant plug of my own...."NO...I would  buy the BFC Junior Elite kindly offered to you on appro by moir..." 

Apologies .. I have noticed the name Attilio being mentioned on the forum in the past but didn't connect it to your user name Fresh Coffee.
I also didn't connect the name Fresh Coffee to Cosmorex or Bean Roasters .. nor did the word 'sponsor' under your user name click.  :pan <-- me

Adding to this lack of observation on my part - is that when I have gone to the Bean Roasters website .. I thought they only roasted and supplied coffee beans.

When going to the Cosmorex website, again just now .. I read the small print, and in amongst it .. it happens to mention that Cosmorex sells Coffee Machines. Normally, when going to websites .. it is made more obvious that a Company sells machines with a button in the menu .. along with ''Home' 'About' Coffee Machines' 'Accessories' 'Contact' etc

I had no idea that you sell Diadema Coffee machines or any other brands until you offered to arrange to drop one off for a trial in the post above.
I thought you were a Coffee Bean Guru .. and when generously offering your assistance about aspects in different machines .. I took you up on it to help decide on which machine in my short list to get. This is most appreciated .. but I did not realize that although you have a Diadema yourself .. as does Brett .. and obviously thrilled with them .. that by mentioning and discussing my early preferences in my short list .. I was offending you .. and for that I apologise. I was not aware of the Brands of Coffee Machines that you sell .. and simply assumed that I could explore you knowledge generally.. which you invited me to do.


I've bean a bit reluctant to overdo it .. but I really should wear my reading glasses more often ... I'm missing too much  :lamp:


Man ... I really need a Coffee machine ... the withdrawals are killing me  >:D Earl Grey tea just ain't cutting it.

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« Reply #52 on: 21/10/2016, 03:47 PM »
Shortlist Update

1. Bezzera Strega
2. Rocket Evoluzione Giotto V2
3. Profitec Pro 500
4. Rocket Appartamento

Hmm .. I can feel the lever love creeping back through my veins

Game changers

1. e61 HX machines take 45 mins to heat up. Strega takes 15 mins. That's an extra 1/2 hour of torture every morning for the Zombie to endure before getting his first fix for the day. It matters.

2. Tasting all these Coffees in Cafes that use La Marzoccos and the like .. + huge Mazzer Grinders with their experienced Baristas rarely produce a latte that rates better than a 9.2/10 imho .. and that's the better Coffees.
Even with my cheap lever - PV Lusso .. in its heyday could produce better Coffee according to my taste buds with scores of 9.2 9.3 9.4
For some reason .. in the last 6-12 months .. I hadn't bean able to get a Coffee up past a 9.2/10 .. but that was still very good.

Although I admit that I don't have an educated palate .. Coffees from one of these e61 Machines all seem to produce a 1 layered flavour (occasionally 2) with better body than what I can produce on my small lever machine. It is like the extraction of flavour is all at one speed that is abundant with one particular flavour that the beans are offering .. whereas a lever extracts the flavours at different speeds and temperature which captures more of the range on offer .. therefore producing a shot with more layers. I have never tasted the exotic flavours that my lever machine was able to extract .. in a Cafe made Coffee... umm .. maybe once I did .. and that was quite a pleasant surprise at the time.

The Cafe produced Coffee does have a rich tan/chocolatey colour which does look impressive in the cup. I could never produce this on my lever ... but then .. appearance does count .. but nowhere near as much as taste.  :coffee2:

Copper boiler - from further reading .. there are claims that the copper in the boiler (and therefore tubes) acts as a microbial inhibitor .. which makes sense .. as Copper is used on plants/fruit trees to kill mould and fungal infestations. Sounds like a good thing to me.  :thumb:         

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« Reply #53 on: 21/10/2016, 05:53 PM »
Moony Ol Chap.

The Expobar Minore IV is not on your list - probably because people have become bored with it's efficiency and reliability, or perhaps it's the dated styling and finish.

Despite all the intense energy focused on the new shiny bling brigade, Brewtus is a good value, well performing and adaptable option - much like FC's gear......largely underestimated in terms of performance and ROI.

Personally, I have a fair bit gear and often buy stuff because of interest or curiosity.

My kitchen bench at home has a KVW and a Minore IV and my roastery bench has a GS3 and another Minore IV, along with numerous new Mazzer, Compak, Macap and NS grinders.

What gear do you think gets the most use ?
What machine do I prefer to use ?

Hands down it's the humble and former star from 6 years ago......Brewtus...... and here's why.

I have to be at the warehouse very early in the morning to start roasting but I need a cuppa with my breakfast otherwise I don't tend to function properly. I don't have time at 5am in the morning to wait for "dream machines" to heat up, yet coffee for me is a ritual experience.........one that requires the ultimate skill and precision.

I am also extremely fussy - stuff has to work and work well, always. I will sink shots that others happily consume.....because I'm always testing, testing, testing.

When I wake up, I can switch on the Minore and by the time I've had a shower and sitting down to my brekkie, the Minore is ready to pull a shot and steam milk - that's 15 minutes. Of course, I might help the group and portafilter along a bit by running water from the machine to heat everything up to prevent soak, but it's fast........extremely fast.

Once I hit the roastery, there is no time to make coffee for another 6 hours and if I need to grab a quickie whilst roasting, then I also goto the Minore as the GS3 is in my opinion just an over-hyped and over-priced machine that is very temperamental and takes ages to reach temp, even on FULL heating.

Why I also prefer to use the Minores at home and work is because I can't stand how ridiculously variable the KVW and GS3 are at producing a quick 1-cup coffee - that is, the simple walk-up test......turn on, wait for a short time and then pull a shot.......they are terrible at the walk-up coffee because they tend to take a bit to get stable and consistent whereas the Minore is more forgiving.

As to the cup.......fortunately, I have 35 years of Espresso making, hence I can make an equally good cup on the Minore as I can on the home and factory dream machines. I'm sure FC does the same on his home gear as well because it's the operator not the machine. The difference is negligible or nothing to get wound up over as there are plenty of other things for that !.

yes, with enough shots I achieve holy grail on the dream team, but it takes a lot more time and a hell of a lot more wasted coffee shots to dial in the tolerances - both things the average coffee lover would be frustrated at.

I'm not promoting the Minore.......it's just an example of a machine that's not in the "top 5" these days yet it can, in the right hands, with the right beans, produce heaven.

These days time is more and more important to me.....so I won't be buying any more "fan-boy" machines because they are just pretty much the same.

Good luck on your search Moony.
 

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« Reply #54 on: 21/10/2016, 06:18 PM »
Shortlist Update

1. Bezzera Strega
2. Rocket Evoluzione Giotto V2
3. Profitec Pro 500
4. Rocket Appartamento

From the above, may I suggest that I'd go the lever machine/


Game changers

1. e61 HX machines take 45 mins to heat up.
I think its already been written but what the hell I'll do it again...this is an internet furphy (ok getting down to it so there is no further confusion...read BS)


2. Tasting all these Coffees in Cafes that use La Marzoccos and the like .. + huge Mazzer Grinders with their experienced Baristas rarely produce a latte that rates better than a 9.2/10 imho .. and that's the better Coffees.
Even with my cheap lever - PV Lusso .. in its heyday could produce better Coffee according to my taste buds with scores of 9.2 9.3 9.4
For some reason .. in the last 6-12 months .. I hadn't bean able to get a Coffee up past a 9.2/10 .. but that was still very good.

Although I admit that I don't have an educated palate .. Coffees from one of these e61 Machines all seem to produce a 1 layered flavour (occasionally 2) with better body than what I can produce on my small lever machine. It is like the extraction of flavour is all at one speed that is abundant with one particular flavour that the beans are offering .. whereas a lever extracts the flavours at different speeds and temperature which captures more of the range on offer .. therefore producing a shot with more layers. I have never tasted the exotic flavours that my lever machine was able to extract .. in a Cafe made Coffee... umm .. maybe once I did .. and that was quite a pleasant surprise at the time.

The Cafe produced Coffee does have a rich tan/chocolatey colour which does look impressive in the cup. I could never produce this on my lever ... but then .. appearance does count .. but nowhere near as much as taste.  :coffee2:
Mate please.... can I suggest that a nice simple approach is required. It matters not what brand equipment the coffee is made on. For most consumers (being anyone that drinks coffee for enjoyment/pleasure) it is either "great", "acceptable", or "crap". This is the responsibility of the person managing and running the equipment. The rest including scores and layers is all in the mind ( and possibly but not necessarily, on the palate) of the individual beholder... 

Copper boiler - from further reading .. there are claims that the copper in the boiler (and therefore tubes) acts as a microbial inhibitor .. which makes sense .. as Copper is used on plants/fruit trees to kill mould and fungal infestations. Sounds like a good thing to me.
The copper Vs tinned copper Vs stainless steel thing is both a technical as well as a political (country based) discussion and nothing to do with microbial inhibition however if you like the idea there is nothing wrong with that.


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« Reply #55 on: 21/10/2016, 08:00 PM »
Shortlist Update

1. Bezzera Strega
2. Rocket Evoluzione Giotto V2
3. Profitec Pro 500
4. Rocket Appartamento

From the above, may I suggest that I'd go the lever machine/

It was a miraculous rise to the top of my list. On the money eh?


M -  e61 HX machines take 45 mins to heat up.

FC - I think its already been written but what the hell I'll do it again...this is an internet furphy (ok getting down to it so there is no further confusion...read BS)

Educate us ... how long do they take? I wouldn't know .. I never owned one .. but if it is true .. I'd never want to
Even 30 mins moping about without functioning Brain is a big ask.

M - Tasting all these Coffees in Cafes that use La Marzoccos and the like .. + huge Mazzer Grinders with their experienced Baristas rarely produce a latte that rates better than a 9.2/10 imho .. and that's the better Coffees.


FC - Mate please.... can I suggest that a nice simple approach is required. it is either "great", "acceptable", or "crap". This is the responsibility of the person managing and running the equipment. The rest including scores and layers is all in the mind ( and possibly but not necessarily, on the palate) of the individual beholder...

M - Sounds like you missed my ratings thread where I tried different beans and gave them a score.
The whole concept started because when I'd go to a Cafe with someone .. I'd ask how was the Coffee .. they's say 'Great' 'nice' 'ok' .. which would always leave me unsatisfied with their response ... How great?  .. just Great .. what the hell is that? Give me a more accurate assessment .. by rating it out of 10 .. and they said an 8 .. I'd think .. ok it was nice ... a 9/10 would be a really nice one. 10/10 and it would tell me it was up there with the best Coffee they'd ever had. Only a score will give you an idea whether to bring them back to that Cafe for another one.

FC - "great", "acceptable", or "crap"

^ That sort of response I'd expect from your average Nescafe Instant drinker. It doesn't cut the mustard in a Coffee forum.
We are more particular than that. Did it have Melon and blackcurrent undertones with a hint of Passionfruit?  :rofl


..... however if you like the idea there is nothing wrong with that

Maaate .... A $1500 Coffee Machine with make a 'Great' coffee ... and here I am willing to pay $3,000 for one that will also make 'Great' Coffee
Will it make a Coffee twice as nice .. Nope ... so where's the sense in that? ... yet that is exactly what I am going to do. Go figure.
And if I were to follow ol' mate Bretts tip ... I'd turf my $520 Compak Grinder .. cause I need to pay $1,200 for a Super duper Grinder to make my Coffee taste 'Great'


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You probably know this already .. but I'll write it up just for added emphasis

* Nice Guys don't get the Girls
* Nice Guys finish last
* Nice Guys don't get to make the babies .. but they do get to change their nappies  :mad:
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Hey mycuppa .. was hoping you would pop by and weigh in on which Coffee machine

I'm a bit spent on ol' mate FC ... so I'll get back. Must be time for a Coffee break .... oh damn .. no Coffee Machine .. drats   :'(

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before looking elsewhere

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« Reply #56 on: 21/10/2016, 08:37 PM »

ps.... for the record - when purchasing a Coffee Machine or any other Coffee item .. I always check first if forum sponsors have what I'm after before looking elsewhere

Hi Moon, trouble is you actually dont know what you are after, have come in with total BS information to try and pick between individual machines in your short list, and have now had a go at the only site sponsor that has offered any technical help/advice.

All the best in yopur search,
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« Reply #57 on: 21/10/2016, 09:18 PM »
Message to forum mods

If any part or posts of mine have been offensive and crossed the line .. please feel free to delete them

I have decided that the Bezzera Strega is the Coffee Machine that I want. Went the long route .. only got there in the end .. which is good.

Thanks to everyone who has assisted me in this journey ..  :thumb:

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« Reply #58 on: 24/10/2016, 05:04 PM »
Moon, I think you should look back through the posts on this thread and decide which elements are appropriate and which should be removed.

You mentioned nappies before. I don't particularly feel like cleaning up more sh!t than I'm already forced to.
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« Reply #59 on: 24/10/2016, 05:55 PM »
Wow, I take the kids for a Farm Stay and you guys fill up the forum.  I have learned two things from this and other threads discussing the immediate and impending bench-bling headed for Mr Moon:

1: fresh coffee is so sure that his machines are par-excellence he was prepared t ship one to Mr Moon to try for a week.  Seriously, what a great guy.
2: Mr Moon like most of us, knew what he wanted all along but was not going to drop $2950 on a Strega without experiencing the thrill of the chase.

Now, time for everybody in forum land to learn that Mr Brett is very tired and just wants a quiet life.  Mr Moon, enjoy your new toy and the enjoy the free advice! ENJOY IT.........!
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« Reply #60 on: 24/10/2016, 08:35 PM »
My apologies, I was tired and I should never have printed that price. *Edited!

And... edit to this post: Moony, I've re-read your post and I agree with Kelsey.  Go back and clean them up yourself please!  Moreover, I think you owe Fresh Coffee an apology!  He is the only machine seller around these parts brave enough to give advice and that he would back it financially too....!!!!

 AND, as a retiree you've got to imagine he's personally not making a red-cent.  Just pride and generously  'giving back' doing the talking.  Think about that little chestnut for just a moment.... 5,4,3,2,  :doh:
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« Reply #61 on: 25/10/2016, 12:20 AM »
Brett .. maybe it is better to leave the forum. Apologies to Fresh Coffee and thanks to everyone for their assistance over the journey.


Cheers  8)

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« Reply #62 on: 25/10/2016, 09:04 AM »
Or you could choose to act in a civilised manner rather than packing up your ball and going home.
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« Reply #63 on: 26/10/2016, 04:07 PM »
Or you could choose to act in a civilised manner rather than packing up your ball and going home.

I have not read any uncivilised mannerisms from Moon in any of his posts on this forum and this thread.

Quote: "Moon, I think you should look back through the posts on this thread and decide which elements are appropriate and which should be removed."

He asked the Mods to judge on that as probably like him, I fail to see any inappropriate "elements", just expressions of frustration and poster identity confusion.
This is forum activity folks.

Cut him some slack guys.          An apology has been given.           Hope it gets accepted.

PS: Moon, I know EXACTLY how you feel.
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« Reply #64 on: 26/10/2016, 04:15 PM »
Kevo, you can't see there's something wrong with Moon's little "Nice guys" speech in reference to FC's assistance?

Or the facetious tone bagging out Brett for suggesting a better grinder?

Frustration is one thing, being an ass to those trying to help is another.


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