Ponte Vecchio Lusso - advice please?

Brett_H

Lwowiak wrote:

Try a blend of 50/50, The Rwanda and the MM. I often blend an Ethiopian with Indian Monsoon Malabar, but prefer them when they have rested for at least 2 or 3 weeks. If the MM is roasted darker it will age quicker.

Good call LW! Major Tom first shot. Grind was spot on for double ristretto. This has some nice spice and nut characters. There's an aftertaste however... Like a nice red with the faintest taint. Jeff'd know instantly... I was drinking a Peru roasted last Thursday that was a creamy and glorious 9.45 when these arrived so a side by side was in order and completely unfair on the Major Tom. That said as a first shot it was in the very good range: 9.05/10 What's holding it back you ask... A double ristretto in milk can't fail when it looks this good. I reckon up one degree on the PID and just a little freer with the pull but that will have to wait until tomorrow. Cheers Moony!

C-man

Agreed, the MM is mostly used in blending to add crema and other unusual flavors

Moon

Bretts Rwanda - single origin Dose - 16.5g Tamp - medium Grind - same as MM Pour - 30 secs for 20ml Triple fellini Rating - 9.1/10 Better pour although a bit thin. Nice .. I liked it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Major Tom - blend Backed grind right off quite a bit. Dose - 16.9g Tamp - medium Pour - 25 secs for 20ml Single fellini Rating - 9/10 Nice overall coffee .. only flavours were a little muddied.. i.e. lacked clarity.

Brett_H

Cool The Major Tom wasn't as good today. The tainted aftertaste is still there despite a freer shot and a small lift in the temperature. Will try again tomorrow: 1. 8.9/10 2. 8.7/10 I'm going to Syphon 30g of these bad-boys on the weekend because Moony's been so generous, and if want to see if I can make that taint disappear. The front end of this blend is spicy and fabulous.

Moon

Brett H wrote:

Cool The Major Tom wasn't as good today.

The beans haven't changed .. ^ that's Brett losing his mojo >😃 ... it happens. :o .. well, it does to me.

Brett H wrote:

I'm going to Syphon 30g of these bad-boys on the weekend

Cool. Results can only be interpreted as a latte tho. Speaking of interpreting results .. what machine were you using for the above ratings .. Pavoni lever or Diadema e61? Question - (Brett) - What was the Peru you were using .. and where from .. mycuppa .. or did someone roast up some green? ps. Jonty is sending me some of his recently roasted green beans. More fresh ~~meat~~ beans to rate. :thumb:

Brett_H

Moon wrote:

The beans haven't changed .. ^ that's Brett losing his mojo >😃 ... it happens. :o .. well, it does to me. Cool. Results can only be interpreted as a latte tho. Speaking of interpreting results .. what machine were you using for the above ratings .. Pavoni lever or Diadema e61? Question - (Brett) - What was the Peru you were using .. and where from .. mycuppa .. or did someone roast up some green? ps. Jonty is sending me some of his recently roasted green beans. More fresh ~~meat~~ beans to rate. :thumb:

Diadema machine. The Peru was from BeanGreen roasted by me!!

Moon

Brett H wrote:

The Peru was from BeanGreen roasted by me!!

Hmm .. Upside - excellent work Downside - I was hoping they were imported .. so I could order some of that 😢 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Major Tom 1. Dose - 16.9g Tamp - medium Double fellini Pour - 20 secs for 18ml Rating - 9.24/10 ------------------------------------------- 2. Adjusted grind slightly finer Dose - 16.9g Tamp - medium Double fellini Pour - 20 secs for 20ml Rating - 9.18/10 Tried to slow down pour to 25 secs with finer grind. The coffee wasn't as nice .. lack of clarity in flavour .. but still a very nice drop nonetheless. Conclusion - The grind setting on the first cup may have bean right .. and only needed to up the dose and/or tamp firmer. Can't be too far off - if the rating is hovering around the 9.2 mark

Moon

Following on .. Major Tom Adjusted grind back to '1' above .. upped the dose .. tamped firmer .. and Bang! .. Moony is back in (serious) coffee business :thumb: Dose - 17.2g Tamp - medium/firm Double fellini Pour - 25 secs for 20ml Rating - 9.3/10 Yeah Baby! 8)

Moon

Major Tom Dose - 17.25g Tamp - medium Double fellini Pour - 25 secs for 20ml Rating - 9.35/10 Whoooahh :coffee2:

Brett_H

Ashy... That's the taint. I've still got some of the other Major Tom in the freezer and they don't have this characteristic. I French pressed some of the old stuff from the freezer after the Syphon of the newer batch. Same name, different taste. On the big conical/PID the ashy taint is very pronounced: 93degC/60mm in 30 sec 8.3/10 (not sinkable but less drinkable) However... Downstairs to Mr Pavoni and 64mm planar burrs of the F5 and... : 9.15/10 Ashy flavour is muted and the coffee flavour is better balanced. I am not qualified as to theorise why but I'd love someone who is to chime in. If I'm in a child/wife space tomorrow I'll grind with the Conical and try the Pav.

Moon

i don't have the acute sense of taste to detect an ashy taste in the coffees I've bean making, only I do know that between the first batch and the second I sent you .. Glenn at Ground Control was in the process of installing a new roaster. I'm just putting it out there .. that the ashy taste may be due to breaking in .. or still experimenting with the settings for the new roaster.. and haven't perhaps got it spot on yet? Up until the last couple of Major Toms .. I had bean thinking that the beans were a little different to the earlier batch.. only I wasn't sure whether it was because they were fresher .. and that I was used to the more aged flavour - or that I hadn't yet found the right method/grind setting. All good now though.

Brett_H

Wow, there you go.

Moon

Major Tom 1. 9/10 2. 8.9/10 3. 9.15/10 ------------------------------------------ Rwanda Roast date - 5th June (18 days) Dose - 16.5g Tamp - Light+ Single fellini Pour - drippy .. 45 secs for 17ml Partial 2nd extraction to top up to 20ml Rating - 9.1/10 I have put masking tape on the grinder to mark grind positions .. so I started with MT grind setting. Will back the grind off to coarser for the next one.. as this grind was too fine. It was a very nice tasty coffee with a distinct flavour that had some zing to it. Adjusting the grind to finer & coarser settings for different beans will be much easier now.

Moon

Major Tom Roast date - 4th June (19 days) Dose 16.9g Tamp - Light+ (a heavier tamp would've dropped the level in the basket below 4mm from top) Double fellini Pour - 30 secs for 20ml Rating - 9.4/10 Fabulous coffee. After extraction .. 7mm of crema .. after 2 mins .. still 5mm of crema .. which is a good sign. Looked perfect in the cup and certainly delivered.

Moon

Major Tom 1. 9.1/10 2. 8.8/10 3. 9/10 Rwanda Dose - 17g Tamp - Hard Grind - coarser Triple fellini Pour - 20 secs for 20ml Rating - 8.3/10 Ample crema but lost the flavour it had with previous coffees. Wasn't all that impressed with the underlying flavour that it did produce. Will need to go a tad finer for the next one.

Brett_H

I'm going to try another Major Tom with the temp of my machine up. 9.4 ??? Wow!

Moon

Brett H wrote:

I'm going to try another Major Tom with the temp of my machine up. 9.4 ??? Wow!

Ooooh .. 9.4/10 Majot Tom and Brett's MM & Rwanda should be coming into their peak at 3 weeks post roast right about now .. so some good times to be had I reckon. I've got the MT marked .. so I will be focussing on getting Brett's gear on song. :coffee2: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonty's Yirgacheffe Kanga and Indian Tiger Mountain have just arrived today. My Birthday was yesterday .. so some nice timing there .. by Jonty - he didn't know. :thumb: Both were roasted on 19th June (last Thursday) so I'll give them a little more time to settle before ripping into those little fellas. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Golly .. Brett and Jonty are showing me up with their professionalism by sending their beans in one-way valve bags .. Jonty's are in a bright red, almost fluro. *Think I'll have to join the program at some stage .. rather than sending mine in plastic click sandwich bags :-[ lol.

Brett_H

Happy Birthday for the 24th!

Moon

Brett H wrote:

Happy Birthday for the 24th!

Thanks Brett Ended up going to a local Thai Restaurant that I hadn't bean to before. My sister and I went for the Banquet .. which included a coffee from a pretty impressive machine and grinder setup (name?) Food was fantastic .. but the latte was shidhouse. I asked for a double shot .. and it tasted like the press the button twice kind of double shot instead of the double basket. I always say .. you don't go to an Asian shop for a good coffee .. and you don't go to an Italian shop for good fried rice Seeing I couldn't pour it down the sink and make another .. I drank it - and complimented the young female Thai Barista on her nice coffee Art. One of those focus on the positives moments .. especially seeing everything else was excellent .. and being my Birthday n all. Usually they only give you an instant coffee, or at best .. percolated. I knew not to pay extra for one - to only set myself up for disappointment. I get a little 'unsettled' when I pay a decent price for a coffee .. and it doesn't score at least an 8/10.

Moon

Jonty's Ethiopian Yirgacheffe(Konga) - single origin This batch was oily as well .. like Bretts, so it must be usual for beans roasted to 2nd crack. When roasting green beans in my popper .. I opted for a medium, and not a darker roast .. so I never took it much past 1st crack when the beans had only started to show signs of oiliness in some of the beans. Roast date - 19th June (6 days) Dose - 16g .. did 17g but had 1g left over. Grind - same setting as for Major Tom Tamp - Light+ Single fellini Pour - 23 secs for 18ml Rating - 9.4/10 Wow! ... just Wow! .. and it isn't fully rested. KK's Yirg was brilliant .. so jumping at this bean again was a no-brainer .. and has delivered once again. :thumb: Nice work Jonty ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tomorrow - It's right back onto Brett's MM and Rwanda .. to get the grind setting right .. for starters.

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