MILK PERMEATE

System · April 2012

So there is some truth to the fact that we are now considered as live stock ?

[size=medium]MILK PERMEATE:[/size]
[size=medium]Membrane filtration technology allows milk components used in making cheese to be concentrated (casein, butterfat) while producing a by-product referred to as milk permeate which contains the lactose, and some of the soluble proteins / minerals. This technology reduces the amount of water and lactose that is shipped to a cheese processing plant and reduces their effluent waste stream. Milk permeate is high in lactose, soluble proteins and minerals and can be used as a source of dietary energy, protein and mineral in livestock feeding programs.[/size]

derrilex · April 2012

MMmmmmmm .........permeate.....droooool

Jonty · April 2012

Spoke with wife who works in quality at local milk factory. She tells me that all milk has permeate init. It is used to standardize the milk into range. Legally in Victoria, milk can contain upto 15% she tells me & can be tasted from upto addition of 10%.

RichardM · April 2012

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Spoke with wife who works in quality at local milk factory. She tells me that all milk has permeate in it. It is used to standardise the milk into range. Legally in Victoria, milk can contain up to 15% she tells me & can be tasted from up to addition of 10%.

I personally can't tell the taste difference (I drink lactose free milk normally though). The quality of milk really comes out in the texturing for me. I don't know if that's permeate, or what the cows ate for breakfast...I just know which milks I like using, and which ones I don't.

UNM · April 2012

Me too, I can't taste the difference between milk with and without permeate.

Seeya Latte · April 2012

Not sure if this is the spot to mention this *note* There is a current product recall for A2 milk (exp date 1 May) for Vic and Nsw - issued today 18/4 http://www.recalls.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/1012071

Koffee_Kosmo · April 2012

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Not sure if this is the spot to mention this *note* There is a current product recall for A2 milk (exp date 1 May) for Vic and Nsw - issued today 18/4 http://www.recalls.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/1012071

The reason for the recall - Is not Permeate Its synthetic fibre - probably from machinery Still good to know :thumb:

Food products containing foreign synthetic matter may cause injury if consumed. What are the defects? The recall is due to foreign matter (foreign synthetic fibre) that has been found in a small number of isolated samples.

askthecoffeeguy · April 2012

I've heard permeate described as looking a lot like snot or green slime - keep it out of my coffee thanks !

UNM · April 2012

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I've heard permeate described as looking a lot like snot or green slime

Soylent green perhaps? I am glad I don't touch the stuff.

Seeya Latte · April 2012

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I've heard permeate described as looking a lot like snot or green slime - keep it out of my coffee thanks !

And with the left over snot......they just add some puff pastry, let it cool and 'voila' ....a Vanilla Slice ! :D

Jonty · April 2012

I cannot post a pic as my wife took a photo of WCB coffee machine as she didn't want it up but they use it to test every batch for 'frothability'. They use a Boema Caffe unit. They also employ a barista to do the job

And this national award for Warrnambool Cheese and Butter summed up my earlier post on 'frothy milk': http://www.standard.net.au/news/local/news/general/cream-of-the-frothy-drops/249...

beanflying · April 2012

I was reminded by a Twitter post that not all milk has permeates in it either. Procal http://www.procal.com.au/ and http://www.jonesysdairyfresh.com/ for a couple and several other smaller milk suppliers would be worth asking the question about. Schulz Organic in Timboon (available in Melbourne) I am 99% is permeate free too.

Muscles · April 2012

A2 and Pauls Farmhouse Gold are Permeate free. Funny how they are the only two that the wife and I can drink without need to use the bathroom soon after... Looks like we are not Lactose intolerant, we are permeate intolerant.

RichardM · April 2012

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A2 and Pauls Farmhouse Gold are Permeate free. Funny how they are the only two that the wife and I can drink without need to use the bathroom soon after... Looks like we are not Lactose intolerant, we are permeate intolerant.

I'm definitely lactose intolerant, and tested as such - but these days can tolerate small amounts. A2 doesn't cause me as many issues though. Farmhouse gold still upsets my guts a bit. It's quite possible that the lactose level in the permeate blended milks are just higher.

blackbird · May 2012

Every single milk producer in australia and NZ from what ive heard does this, as per usual its a media beat up!!!! to make uninformed consumers scared.

UNM · May 2012

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Every single milk producer in australia and NZ from what ive heard does this, as per usual its a media beat up!!!! to make uninformed consumers scared.

Perhaps consumers should be scared. Just because every producer does it, does not make it good (although that is not actually the case, some small producers do not). If you think about it rationally, milk consumption is actually pretty weird. How about drinking pig blood instead? That is no more strange, yet most people go 'Ewww!' At the thought of it. They may even consider it cruel to tap an animals blood regularly and yet milking is ok. Humans are strange beasts.

Koffee_Kosmo · June 2012

Just saw a Pauls Milk advert The main message was our milk is naturally "Permeate Free" KK

Ronin · June 2012

Paramalat and Dairy Farmers I did this morning advertising permeate free.

Koffee_Kosmo · June 2012

We started discussing this topic months befor the TV current affair type show hype

Ronin · June 2012

Intersecting reading on CS. I saw it on Sunrise this morning, ah the perils of being sick while on holidays :head:

galumay · June 2012

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We started discussing this topic months befor the TV current affair type show hype

I doubt it KK, ACA have been flogging this dead horse for years, its basically a beat up and if you talk to people in the industry there is a huge amount of misinformation out there - half of it spread by milk producers to scare consumers off competitors products. From what I can find out they DO NOT add cheese permeate to milk, they do add back in a specific quantity of MILK permeate in order to deliver consistent flavour in milk across the seasonal variations, its a natural component of milk and the whole ACA beatup is another example of their shameful lack of journalistic integrity. The end result of permeate free milk will be nothing other than more expensive milk with greater variety in taste and texture through the year.

Koffee_Kosmo · June 2012

Tricky little devils aren't they I haven't seen a current affairs show for many, many years ( how lucky am I) KK

Lwowiak · June 2012

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The end result of permeate free milk will be nothing other than more expensive milk with greater variety in taste and texture through the year.

Why would permeate free milk be more expensive? I believe that if milk is just pasteurised, then that is all that is necessary. As to variety in taste and texture, is that not how it is intended to be? Must we tamper with everything? I must say that when I lived in Adelaide I was spoilt for choice when it came to milk, with many different "boutique" dairies selling their milk to cafes and independent grocers. No permeate was added, and while the texture and taste did vary, it was a whole lot better than your Dairy Farmers and Pura milk. On a side note, given the advances in research and technology in the dairy industry there is no excuse why Raw milk should not be available to the public. Our handling, testing and storage techniques have advanced so much, surely we can sell raw milk without any problems. The variety of foods we are missing out on because of the lack of understanding of old methods is a shame. Many cheeses are made to centuries old methods in Europe using raw milk, and they are delicious and a lot healthier. Australia has the potential to be the gourmet food producer in the Asia Pacific region, yet we struggle, and apart from a minority, produce very average products. Tasmania is so similar to many of the best food regions in Europe, yet it is sorely underutilized. No doubt any success in gourmet food production would lead to a gourmet tax being instigated by the tree huggers.

galumay · June 2012

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Why would permeate free milk be more expensive?

Its more expensive because if the permeate is not added then more milk is needed to fill the container! Producers have already stated the price will rise to cover it.

Lacehim · June 2012

I buy local pasturised only Cooloolah milk. Costs more ($4 a 2lt bottle from memory) but has nice cream on the top and fattens the kids up nicely.

It's nice stuff, local and has an excellent date life because of it!

RichardM · June 2012

I personally don't mind seasonal variations. We get it with all our other fresh produce, so for me, milk is fine. People are used to not having variance, so permeate can be seen as positive for those people. I'm not sure if it's permeate, or coincidence (and my "normal" milk costs me $2/L anyway being a requirement to be lactose free), but when I have guests over and buy "cheap" milk, it doesn't texture how I'd like, so I pay "more" for the A2, Farmhouse Gold etc. They are both permeate free, but I'm not sure if other factors are at play.

Muscles · July 2012

The wife and I have gone through 2 1L bottles of DF Permeate Free milk and could taste no diff at all...

RichardM · July 2012

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The wife and I have gone through 2 1L bottles of DF Permeate Free milk and could taste no diff at all...

I'm not sure if I'm imagining it or not, but my milk over the last two or three weeks has been texturing completely differently (in a good way). I use Pauls Zymil (lactose free). Not sure what's changed, or if it's always been permeate free etc, but it seem to coincide with their "all our milks are permeate free" marketing thingy.

askthecoffeeguy · July 2012

I've noticed recently that both of the big stores now have "permeate free" stickers on a lot of their milk products - surely a sign that they're attentive to consumer sentiment or at least weary of any potential backlash!

UNM · July 2012

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I've noticed recently that both of the big stores now have "permeate free" stickers on a lot of their milk products - surely a sign that they're attentive to consumer sentiment or at least weary of any potential backlash!

hmm, might be inaccurate labelling. I am willing to bet that, with the right equipment, I could extract permeate from that milk. 'No added permeate' would be more accurate surely?

GaryatGala · July 2012

Pura milk is now labelled permeate free. Anyone noticed the taste of Pura compared to other milk which has permeate added? I find there's a bit of difference, and noticeable too. Frothing is good on Pura. I still continue to use Bannisters Milk. Gary at G

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