LARGE Conical Grinder Owner Club

C-man

Good to hear Tim, still crankin along with the HG one Got a couple of bits of alloy angle and screwed the grinder down to the bench so now I can grind with one hand and no movement. I am still not convinced about the bigger burr thing as yet, I am getting some great coffee, but I was before with the little 38mm burr Rosco too.

Brett H

Another K10 owner! Congratulations!! I love mine for its consistency also!!

Trooper

I am the new proud owner of a ex Caf

Brett H

Congratulations Mate!  That is a phenomenal grinder.    :thumb: I hope you had help moving it!  :rofl: Sad that another cafe has hit the wall... I can't believe the number of people who still think its a thoroughly exploitable  business option.  If I had a dollar for everyone who told me my coffee was unbeatable and that if I opened a cafe I'd make a killing... I wouldn't need to open a cafe

Koffee_Kosmo

on 1405056844:

I am the new proud owner of a ex Caf

Brett H

And I remember you telling me to lift it KK... to really appreciate the solidity and quality of the beast. My chiropractor sends his regards.  From Bali.

Trooper

Thanks Brett but the pain my back felt was masked by the excitement of finally owning a BNZ conical grinder. I have to thank KK for the couple of tips regarding slight modifications. 1. Remove that silly tamper.                                                                                                     2. Removing the auto hopper fill switch. Thanks to you KK for your invaluable tips. Regards Trooper

cosmic_couple22

Great grinder Trooper, built like a tank and doser works well. @kk can we start a "2 large conical grinders owner club"  ;D Chester.

Koffee_Kosmo

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Great grinder Trooper, built like a tank and doser works well. @kk can we start a "2 large conical grinders owner club"  ;D Chester.

One thread is enough However you can own as many large clinical grinders as you like We will actually welcome it  :thumb: KK

MOQ

on 1405056844:

I am the new proud owner of a ex Caf

Brett H

on 1405572383:

Great to hear of another MD74 out there! Where was that cafe, Melb CBD? A friend of mine contemplated a few sites but when he mentioned the rent I checked on my pic! The story was corroborated by another friend who owned a sandwich bar, his rent got jacked up forcing him to leave. So... first impressions?

Hope hours is doing the job MOQ.  Did you ever get any joy out of your new Compak K3 with the overly mobile collar?

MOQ

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Hope hours is doing the job MOQ.  Did you ever get any joy out of your new Compak K3 with the overly mobile collar?

My BNZ is performing very well thanks Brett. Of course the usual domestic reservations of massive grind retention (fixed by removing the auto-stop and making custom sweep paddles & brushes). Producing very satisfying shots. Going to cafes is often a let down! Short answer on the K3 - no Long answer - I delivered it to the importer at MICE, I thought I'd give them some time to let the dust settle from the expo. I forgot about it until last week so I will send a polite query to jog their memory.

Kelsey

I've joined the club as of yesterday, although today was my first chance to run a coffee through it.

Koffee_Kosmo

Welcome to the Large Conical Grinder club Kelsey We would welcome some model details on it and how it performs as you get to use it in the coming weeks KK

Kelsey

It's the new Compak E10 Conic OD. Similar to the K10 Fresh, but with a more standard profile and grind adjustment. So far it's crazy fast, very, very quiet and brings out flavour I didn't think possible.

Brett H

Love the big conical.... Congratulations!  Is it like the A8 in that you can lift a lid to sweep the chute??  I'd love an electronic conical but the inability to easily do a chute sweep makes them awkward in my low-volume home environment. 

Kelsey

Not sure yet Brett, I'll check on it first chance I get. I'm not sure how much it's retaining, but I do know that if I keep the grind going a few secs longer after the bulk of it is in the PF, a big clump or two will fall out. Seems to be about right. I'll be switching to an Acai scale soon to find out.

galumay

Nice looking grinder Kelsey, I found the Compak's to be very good grinders. I am sure this will be a long term resident on the bench!

steve82

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Not sure yet Brett, I'll check on it first chance I get. I'm not sure how much it's retaining, but I do know that if I keep the grind going a few secs longer after the bulk of it is in the PF, a big clump or two will fall out. Seems to be about right. I'll be switching to an Acai scale soon to find out.

Watching with interest, really liking the look of this grinder. Even better it can take the short gourmet hopper for the K3.

Kelsey

I believe it can, I was offered the shorter hopper but chose the standard as I think I'm going to adjust my prep significantly.

Seeya Latte

Nice Kelsey Haven't heard much about this one. Keep us posted on progress

galumay

on 1413752587:

I'll be switching to an Acai scale soon to find out.

I use a Acaia balance with the HG-One, its in a class of its own as far as coffee balances go, looks very cool too!

Moon

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If I had a dollar for everyone who told me my coffee was unbeatable and that if I opened a cafe I'd make a killing... I wouldn't need to open a cafe

Obviously you weren't serving up the Merlo Forza .. eh Brettmate  :stir I don't belong here --- I'll see myself out ---

mycuppa

Compak have done a fair bit of optimization with their grind on demand equipment - particularly the augers and the motors. The E10 is relatively new (there are 2 models, same as there are 2x F10 models), so I can't tell from the pic if it's the Master or not. A couple of weeks ago I bought a new F10 Master OD - which is the big brother of the E10/F10 model - has a larger motor and slightly faster rpm. There is an E10 Master as well. The latest toy we are eagerly waiting in the new benchmark in high-performance grinders - the Mazzer Kold - which by all accounts has some serious stability during busy workloads. It should be - damn expensive ! I should have mentioned that 3 months ago we had a NS Mythios 1 Clima Pro in the cafe and bench tested it against the Robur E and Kony E. The Mythios 1 has an insanely good dosing system - apparently they spent almost 2 years trying to work out how to disperse the static and get the ground coffee to form into a perfect pyramid on the portafilter (which it also holds into place whilst dosing). Yep, they certainly did a fantastic job - it forms a perfect pile with ZERO spillage. The average stats on a busy cafe doing say 40kg per week with a Robur E - about 1.5 kg plus per week in wastage. The Mythios 1 helps with the ROI in that case. The other area the Mythios 1 was superb is the almost negligible 2g of retained grounds due to the 60 deg angle the burrs are mounted. Where the Mythios 1 fell down - it was a bit slow and cup quality not comparable with the Robur E or Kony E. (I know for sure I will cop a hiding for this statement but you can't hide from the facts !).  The Mythios 1 is not a conical I don't think. The F10 Master OD is a seriously grunty grinder. My only dislike is the pulse button throws too much coffee (2g) - this is an area that Mazzer's have clear leadership. Kelsey, you may also find that is the case for you as well !

Kelsey

I'm still getting used to it, but will report back once I've worked on my technique. It's the E10 Conic OD, I felt the Master was probably overkill! There is a small amount of retention that I can see shining a bright light up the chute, but not a huge amount. I've found a couple of pulses tends to dislodge most of it. There are two things that I massively appreciate about this grinder (not in order of appreciation): 1) The speed. Holy mother of god, this thing is fast. It gets through my 15.8g shots in 4s or less. It's also quiet and 'feels' solid as hell when it kicks in. After being on the Breville and the Rocky for so long, the speed of this thing is a very welcome change. 2) Taste It really is like getting a new machine. I've been drinking Lamkin Lane's Seasonal Blend for a while now because Justine likes it. I haven't been a fan, but felt it was a nice, solid brew, very drinkable but a bit homogenous and not particularly interesting. The grinder changes all of that. As it turns out, it's a blend bursting with flavour and a very interesting, rich and multi-layered blend that stays with you long after the espresso has finished. I would never have known had it not been for the Compak (and the L1, of course). In time, I'll be changing my technique significantly. I believe that single dosing the way I have been going about it (pre-weighing, dose at a time) is probably not going to work as well on this grinder. Instead I plan to get an Acai scale and simply fill the hopper with beans (grinder will be out) and dose by weight output. The weight of a hopper full of beans should prevent popcorning and I'll simply purge a gram or two at the start of my routine. The NS Mythos looks like it's intended to be a deli grinder? I couldn't tell from their brochures whether it's got vertically mounted burrs or not. A couple of my industry contacts have been using the EK43, the Compak R120 or have tried both. Lamkin Lane runs an EK43 for single-dosed espresso shots, but they've burned through one motor already. Londinium espresso were also using an EK43 for a while, but are now preferring the Compak - same type of grinder conceptually however.

mycuppa

K. The Mythios is definitely an espresso grinder. It was 3 years in the engineering and exhaustive testing in some key cafe environments in Europe. I am surprised that EK43 motors would be failing. Those grinders are built over-spec to run in roasteries almost all day, every day. As with any grinder, regardless of brand or reputation, there is the all-important duty cycle. This defines the on-off periods the equipment was designed for. I have a Compak R120 in my factory. It has been a good deli grinder for many years now. Recently, I replaced the burrs (which was something like $800) and it's not been the same since. Not to say that anything is wrong with the R120 - I will get to the bottom of what's causing the issue - it's probably my fault actually. Using the R120 in a cafe for OD grinding would be hilarious. It is super-fast (1kg in about 60 - 90 seconds) There is quite a lot of retention though which means it would be difficult to use unless you were doing back-to-back shots.

Brett H

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Obviously you weren't serving up the Merlo Forza .. eh Brettmate  :stir I don't belong here --- I'll see myself out ---

I think my point here was talk is cheap.  The same folk would expect a free coffee from my cafe and then tell me that Gloria Jeans is better cause the girl puts the sugar in first. Great discussion guys.  Where did you buy frm Kelsey and do they do a Crema deal?

Kelsey

I think the duty cycle is probably the problem: grind big lots for long periods of time, no problem. Start stop single dosing? Could be putting undue strain on the motor. Either way, the EK I've experienced (as a custom) on too many occasions to count. The R120 not at all, so it's all second hand. Brett, I got it from Londinium. On the numbers you can get it cheaper here once you account for shipping and GST (no duty is payable) but I specifically wanted the polished aluminum finish, which is a bit extra. No discounts as far as I know, but I'll check.

Kelsey

A better shot

derrilex

Ooooh, shiny. Then again, $2500 should buy some lustre. :rofl: