Londinium I Lever Espresso Machine

lespresso · October 2012

very shortly, yes of course. pro photos next week. in the interim i will hijack the wife's SLR

lespresso · October 2012

also, we are opening an after sales service & support office in Auckland before the end of the year it will be run by my father, so i can assure you that the level of care and attention to detail will as good as we offer, if not better

Koffee_Kosmo · October 2012

Well done on the project :thumb: For the web site I recommend that you add a currency converter (unless my old eyes cant spot one) KK

lespresso · October 2012

i agree, the trouble is our site is pretty inflexible hope to move to Joomla next year, which will solve that problem I'm probably to have to get a new template drawn up so we can show some decent sized images of the machines - its a pain in the butt as it stands

Lacehim · October 2012

KK It's

lespresso · October 2012

no, that's not right the prices shown are exclusive of VAT already, translating at current spot as AUD2047, plus shipping of GBP118.41/AUD183 so the total will come to AUD2230, at current spot rates (mid-point) we never see your payment details - at no point do they touch our website - they pass directly to Paypal transaction services, whether you pay by Paypal or by credit card reiss

beanflying · October 2012

Unfortunately unless you get very lucky with importing over $1000 goes like this. Add 5% import duty then add the GST of 10% and unless you know how or find out how to fill out a 'Nature 10' add $100-180 for a broker. So landed all up price of $2600'ish+ Great project too, more domestic levers are good

Lacehim · October 2012

on 1350601397:

no, that's not right the prices shown are exclusive of VAT already, translating at current spot as AUD2047, plus shipping of GBP118.41/AUD183

Ok, got a bit confused because at the bottom it says

Lwowiak · October 2012

I am a little rusty in this area, as I have not been directly involved in $1000+ purchases, leaving it to a broker. Is the import duty calculated on the price of the machine, or the combined price of machine and freight? I gather GST is then calculated on top of all of this. Anyone care to confirm? Thanks in advance.

lespresso · October 2012

um, bosco only use a single spring in the group

not only will it tip if we run it with twin springs, most of you are going to complain that you can't pull the lever down why? because most people's kitchen benches are lower than the 1000-1100mm bench that a lever machine should sit on in a cafe and second, the group sits closer to the bench than it does on a commercial lever machine because the height from the grill in the drip tray to the bench is less than on a commercial lever machine so if you had a commercial lever machine sitting on a bench top 1100 off the floor, the height to the handle on the lever is going to be higher than it is if you had LONDINIUM I sitting on the same bench A bit of a scrambled explanation i know, but hopefully it makes some sense don't worry, its running at max - any more and people are going to grizzle if you want to make it a lot easier, place it on a higher bench - ideally a commercial group with serious grunt like these should be placed high enough that the dead weight of your arm pulls the lever down - i.e. you shouldn't have to pull much the reality is a lot of people are going to place these machines on a standard 900mm high bench, which means you have to use your lats more to pull the lever down than you would if the lever was higher off the floor, especially if you are tall

Koffee_Kosmo · October 2012

on 1350604861:

I am a little rusty in this area, as I have not been directly involved in $1000+ purchases, leaving it to a broker. Is the import duty calculated on the price of the machine, or the combined price of machine and freight? I gather GST is then calculated on top of all of this. Anyone care to confirm? Thanks in advance.

GST calculation for imports, is a combined price of item and freight

Lacehim · October 2012

on 1350604934:

um, bosco only use a single spring in the group and i expect the quickmill achille but i am awaiting an answer on that

I've never seen a bosco group in real life, or seen inside one (apart from a photo on your blog). I think I assumed that they were a twin spring, but reading back in your blog I see this is something you were developing for the L1. All fixed up in my brain now. Thanks! I would love to see the L1 go up against the Quick Mill. They seem to be the closest of competitors at the moment. Have you sold any bound for Australia yet Reiss?

conikal · October 2012

on 1350603615:

.......add $100-180 for a broker.

Anybody know when or how a "broker" (money leech!) gets involved in international packages. ?? I have had many "private" packages imported with varing contents and value ( up to several $k's ) and the only time a broker ( freight agent and customs etc)) got involved was for a box of low value , used , personal items ! Every other shipment has been delivered to the door ( DHL, Auspost etc) with no extra costs or questions. I can understand how commercial imports cannot avoid the freight handlers & customs paper maze, but personal shipments seem to take a different path ? An yes....i have had a espresso m/c shipped from Europe to my door with no extra costs other than the $90 freight . !

Paolo5 · October 2012

I have had a couple of machines delivered to my door also with no broker involved. Both were from USA.

beanflying · October 2012

But to not consider the possibility of them being added would be foolish if your making a call partly based on costs. In more recent years the system has been getting tighter rather than more relaxed. Not to say you will need a Broker as DHL for example will help you out on that front but the possibility exists. Re Bench heights couple of things for all lever spring lever machines. The Levers are potentially dangerous to faces on the upswing for the unwary in particular with no puck in :doh: I have a crack in a Z9 casting from it's former owner to prove how much force is involved. Also for good and easy motion in particular for repetitive use (commercial) a reach up is far less strain. At home I have a typical 850-900mm bench with the Fioranzato while my 3 grp sits on one at 1050mm (from memory) even this is still to short for me with a full sized commercial on it but a couple of my Baristas have a good stretch

Kelsey · October 2012

Don't suppose you'll be needing a hand migrating to Joomla, Reiss?

Koffee_Kosmo · October 2012

on 1350612238:

But to not consider the possibility of them being added would be foolish if your making a call partly based on costs. In more recent years the system has been getting tighter rather than more relaxed. Not to say you will need a Broker as DHL for example will help you out on that front but the possibility exists. Re Bench heights couple of things for all lever spring lever machines. The Levers are potentially dangerous to faces on the upswing for the unwary in particular with no puck in :doh: I have a crack in a Z9 casting from it's former owner to prove how much force is involved. Also for good and easy motion in particular for repetitive use (commercial) a reach up is far less strain. At home I have a typical 850-900mm bench with the Fioranzato while my 3 grp sits on one at 1050mm (from memory) even this is still to short for me with a full sized commercial on it but a couple of my Baristas have a good stretch

Item one Completely agree and DHL is probably the best there is Item two re bench heights Completely agree and I have in the past warned about the practice of cooling flushes as a dangerous practice As to heights I quickly learned that a longer pull handle was required so designed one of the length required for effortless operation However it does require an open area as overhead cupboards can restrict the extra height of he handle Item three :tearhair: :head: say no more Lespresso Kelsey did my Joomla site

Kelsey · October 2012

on 1350615285:

Lespresso Kelsey did my Joomla site

But note that it wasn't a fully custom job, which is what I do a lot more of. We were migrating from an old install and the existing template wasn't compatible so a quick facelift was in order!

Lacehim · October 2012

Reiss has posted some photos on his Blog of the Londinium I. This is the Luxe model with windows. IMG_1392_grande.jpg?101245

And this is the stock I guess, minus windows. IMG_1402_grande.jpg?101249

Inside photo, of the more expensive Luxe model. IMG_1400_grande.jpg?101247

in 3 minutes the boiler is fully pressurised then pull the lever down for 7 seconds (1000, 2000,

Lacehim · October 2012

Has anyone purchased one yet in Australia, or have the intention of doing so?

lespresso · October 2012

in response to the concern raised a while back here about the placement of the on/off switch, we have set it so 'on' is 'up' this means when you turn it off you are pushing it down from the top so there is no reason to burn yourself on the group or the steam wand mount as you are not having to hook your finger under the toggle switch and pull it up, creating the possibility of touching the back of your hand on the hot steam wand mount

Lacehim · October 2012

on 1350936702:

in response to the concern raised a while back here about the placement of the on/off switch, we have set it so 'on' is 'up' this means when you turn it off you are pushing it down from the top so there is no reason to burn yourself on the group or the steam wand mount as you are not having to hook your finger under the toggle switch and pull it up, creating the possibility of touching the back of your hand on the hot steam wand mount

I still think it's not a good position for an on/off switch. It was one of the cons when I was deciding between the Londinium I & Quick Mill 0996 Achille.

Kelsey · October 2012

I dunno L, it wouldn't put me off. But then my machine is turned on at 6am and then flicked off again at about 4pm, later if we have guests. So it'd be a once a day chance. My brew button is similarly close to the grouphead on the BZ07 tho, so I guess I'm used to it.

Kelsey · October 2012

Reiss has updated the Londinium blog with some new shiny, shiny pics. Looking extremely nice. I won't steal his thunder (entirely), but here's one of the shots: [attachimg=1] Also worth noting is the 'flex test' video that he's got up there. Looks solid.

Kelsey · October 2012

A couple of thoughts on this now that the build is complete. One thing I really like, surprisingly, is the little nub-like water tap. I rarely use my water tap and it'd be in an inconvenient position were I to use it a lot. I knew I wouldn't, so I went for form over function - I liked the grouping on the BZ07PID. While I like the overall functionality of the nub-water tap what I really like is that there's a massive clear space to one side of the drip tray. Perfect for washing out portafilters and bringing them back over the tray with minimal drippage. I hope someone in QLD gets one of these so I can check it out in the flesh!

Brett H · October 2012

This looks beautifully refined doesn't it! Kudos to the Londium team!

Kelsey · October 2012

Very much so. I know that some if the saner heads on this forum are being shaken right now, but there's certainly romance to a nicely put together lever machine.

Caffeinated · October 2012

Looks nice... Will there be storage for cups on top?

Kelsey · October 2012

I don't think so - pretty sure Reiss has said that there won't be a cup warmer.

Lacehim · October 2012

No. There is no cup rail to keep your cups on there, BUT you can stick cups on the top. if you want to keep them warm. The little cover at the back is for filling the tank, so you'll need access to that. It would be nice to the Quick Mill, Strega & Londinium reviewed together wouldn't it. That would be an interesting shootout.

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