Breville's new dual boiler machine BES900

Brett H · December 2011

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Yeah Brett I have to keep watching where I stand in the reflections :D

Ya'll love it... :doh:

Lwowiak · December 2011

Domayne on the Gold Coast had a one day pre Xmas sale today. They will have another on Boxing Day with similar specials. The Breville BES900 was 25% off, making it $1125. They had a monitor next to it, showing numerous videos with Phil in them. Did not notice much interest in it, as everyone was being dazzled by the pod machines and superautos. Mind you, all the staff and reps doing demos were well versed in their products. Pity the coffee being made was crap. Being a rep and pushing your brand is difficult in these stores, and the competition is high. But they sold heaps of machines. Loved the fact everyone was offered an extended warranty on all products, along with a possible out of warranty situation; that made the EWP (Extended Warranty Plan) seem great value and peace of mind. I pioneered this over a decade ago when I had a Tandy franchise. I know The Good Guys still use a modified version of my "EWP Sales Strategies" when training their staff. Got to say, that for $1125, it is not a bad machine, I certainly would not want to pay any more for it. Have to have a chuckle at the guy on another forum, who was advocating everyone to buy the BES900 at full price as it was such a good product, and would increase in price. Wise words indeed

These store are used to discounting. Truth be told, their store "wholesale cost" is now the true retail price on most things. They rely heavily on rebates and add-on sales to make profit. Trick is to get them to sell below this, and that can be a lot of fun if you are in the mood. If anyone is looking for one of these, push hard and I am sure you can get them below $1100 without difficulty. As to the "value" of the EWP, I refrain from commenting.

Koffee_Kosmo · December 2011

On a side note I was watching Ellen - an American talk show She was giving the Breville BES900 away - one each to all audience members ;D KK

Lwowiak · December 2011

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On a side note I was watching Ellen - an American talk show She was giving the Breville BES900 away - one each to all audience members ;D KK

That is still cheap advertising for the USA. Oprah used to give things away all the time. If she endorsed a product, it was guaranteed success.. I suppose Ellen is the show everyone watches now, it certainly is in my household (3F, 1M). Anyway, a great marketing strategy just before Xmas. ;D

GaryatGala · December 2011

At the moment i don't have a strong interest in the Breville Dual Boiler, but going through a number of big chain stores like David Jones, Myers, Retravision, Good Guys and Harvey Norman have turned up zilch, zero here in WA. Whenever i go shopping for items at those stores, and i have been to a number of them in various locations, I asked them do they know about the Breville BES900, they give me a blank look and said no. They don't offer to look into it and see if they can source one for me. I have asked some fellow coffee friends, and they came up with the same answer, and none of the specialist coffee stores stock it. If I was to actually get one of those, I'd have to order one from the other forum's sponsors and get it sent over. Gary at G

Lwowiak · December 2011

Gary, I don't think they sell the BES900 anymore as discounting killed their profit. I am not surprised that in the Wild West you have not seen this machine. The dept stores over there sell truckloads of pod machines and superautos. I have friends who now manage some of the electrical depts in the big stores and franchises, and they mentioned that coffee machines were a huge growth market in the West. The pricier the superauto, the more "cred" it had. The mining boom is certainly helping retail in the West.

GaryatGala · December 2011

There sure is a hell of a lot of superautos here everywhere. I was expecting one or two stores to stock the BES900 at least. I did see it on one junkmail issue by the Good Guys, and then when i enquired about it, no one seems to know about. It had a decent exposure on one page displaying a discounted price of $1449 at that time. Gary at G

mcknightp · December 2011

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On a side note I was watching Ellen - an American talk show She was giving the Breville BES900 away - one each to all audience members ;D KK

Wrong. She was giving away our recently released BDC600XL, a drip filter coffee machine with an grinder on board, with carafe & single serve feature. Cheers, Phil

Koffee_Kosmo · December 2011

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Wrong. She was giving away our recently released BDC600XL, a drip filter coffee machine with an grinder on board, with carafe & single serve feature. Cheers, Phil

The Episode aired yesterday or day before, as part of the 2011 - 12 days of Christmas giveaways Ellen also pulled a shot with the machine Phil - I can definitely say that it was not a drip filter machine However it may have been the BES830XL ( So I apologise if I am wrong) as they look almost the same You may have been watching or know of a different episode The items may have been given away by a retail chain & not direct from Breville KK

hiphipharar · December 2011

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Phil - I can definitely say that it was not a drip filter machine However it may have been the BES830XL ( So I apologise if I am wrong) as they look almost the same You may have been watching or know of a different episode The items may have been given away by a retail chain & not direct from Breville

If I read this page correctly, she gave away a Breville BES830XL and a Drip machine http://ellen.warnerbros.com/12daysofgiveaways/day11.php ...and for the record, I don't watch the show. Don't see much fun in a 1000 people wetting their pants over freebies. Is that the purpose of the show? Bah, humbug! :mad:

Brett H · December 2011

Wow:

That Breville dripper for a coffee purist just kills the idea of the office superauto. Looks awesome... the presenter does a good job but when when she says 'u-bru' I am transported back to my Uni days and an Christchurch ex-pat who refused to neutralise his accent despite our elecution/phonetics training.

Koffee_Kosmo · December 2011

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If I read this page correctly, she gave away a Breville BES830XL and a Drip machine http://ellen.warnerbros.com/12daysofgiveaways/day11.php ...and for the record, I don't watch the show. Don't see much fun in a 1000 people wetting their pants over freebies. Is that the purpose of the show? Bah, humbug! :mad:

Ahh well there you go I dont watch the program - my wife & girls do :tearhair: In my defense they only show a few seconds and move on to the next item They all look the same The BES 900 should look a little more sporty to tell the difference KK

GaryatGala · December 2011

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Wrong. She was giving away our recently released BDC600XL, a drip filter coffee machine with an grinder on board, with carafe & single serve feature. Cheers, Phil

If i was a audience member and drink drip filter coffee with instant as par for the course of american culture, I'd be happier with that than the BES900. The BES 900 is certainly designed for the well informed (super engaged) minority group such as ourselves. BTW, while christmas shopping, i managed to find a BES900 finally, at a store here in WA. Price? RRP$1559.00. Was nice to see it at long last anyway. Gary at G

ajst2duk · January 2012

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It's definitely not a red herring. I left mine as is for a little bit to see what was happening, after adjustment there is such a difference in the cup, and probably the other changes I've made. If you want to see the 'wrong' way to adjust your OPV you can check out my website :D

Well the Christmas break was just what I needed - OPV adjusted thanks to all the good resource on this forum - we are consistantly (even before OPV adjust) getting cracker shots on this machine. Still very happy with it and if we won lotto tomorrow I wouldn't have it on my list of things to change. Just now need a naked portafilter and we will be all done for 2012

- AJ

Muscles · January 2012

AJ, have you ordered a naked PF already??

ajst2duk · January 2012

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AJ, have you ordered a naked PF already??

Nah - have I been out of the loop ?? did I miss the first shipment?

Muscles · January 2012

Yeah, first lot have landed... PM pmcknight (from Breville) on here and see if they have any left - good luck :coffee2:

Brett H · February 2012

Bloody hell... That looks very impressive. I commend small retailers who had a go competing with the Big Boxes and I think that had Breville helped these guys out a little more the pay-off would have been a world beating MkII... Bit perhaps that unit is already sitting on SS' bench. Having said all that im sure support in some form was forthcoming from Breville but it obviously wasnt enough. Mostly however I'd dearly love to put one of these on the bench next to my DB or a serious HX and have a serious play. Not now obviously... We're like having a baby...

mcknightp · February 2012

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Bloody hell... That looks very impressive. I commend small retailers who had a go competing with the Big Boxes and I think that had Breville helped these guys out a little more the pay-off would have been a world beating MkII... Bit perhaps that unit is already sitting on SS' bench. Having said all that im sure support in some form was forthcoming from Breville but it obviously wasnt enough. Mostly however I'd dearly love to put one of these on the bench next to my DB or a serious HX and have a serious play. Not now obviously... We're like having a baby...

You really just have to laugh when you read something like this. How would you even know what support Breville did or did not supply to the non "Big Box" stockists?? As usual, sweeping statements with no actual knowledge! I can tell you one fact, not one non Big Box stockist provided any feedback that did or would have, changed the final package in any shape, form or function. Cheers, Phil

Dry_bean. · February 2012

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You really just have to laugh when you read something like this. How would you even know what support Breville did or did not supply to the non "Big Box" stockists?? As usual, sweeping statements with no actual knowledge! I can tell you one fact, not one non Big Box stockist provided any feedback that did or would have, changed the final package in any shape, form or function. Cheers, Phil

Think its all academic now Phil, the die has been cast and there's no going back. From the reports I've read the machine has been very well received and owners have been for the most part delighted with them. :thumb:

littleroundman · February 2012

Speaking of stockists, I received a promo from Kitchen Warehouse listing the BES900 as a new product. http://www.kitchenwaredirect.com.au/New-Items/Breville-Dual-Boiler-Espresso-Maker at Price: $1,489.95 (Incl. GST) Unfortunately, in true Australian retailer fashion, it's shown as "out of stock" on the website.

Dry_bean. · February 2012

Retailers must have run out of the original batch, regardless, they are advertised at much less than $1489 in a number of places if you are prepared to wait for a few weeks, see here $1233 http://www.billyguyatts.com.au/breville-the-dual-boiler-bes900.html?utm_source=myshopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Small+Kitchen+Appliances&utm_term=Breville+The+Dual+Boiler+BES900+due+late+February+

Dinsdale · February 2012

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A sprooker, or Street Barker as they are called in London...

I think he means a "SPRUIKER"

Dry_bean. · February 2012

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I think he means a "SPRUIKER"

I think your right, have to make allowances for AM, he does things his own way, and that includes spelling.

Brett H · February 2012

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You really just have to laugh when you read something like this. How would you even know what support Breville did or did not supply to the non "Big Box" stockists?? As usual, sweeping statements with no actual knowledge! I can tell you one fact, not one non Big Box stockist provided any feedback that did or would have, changed the final package in any shape, form or function. Cheers, Phil

Fair comment. I don't know what support was given to the small retailers. FWIW The Coffee Guy still lists the machines on his website for those that want to support a great guy and a local Brisbane retailer. The 30minute training course would also be a god send for those moving from Nespresso and Super-Auto machines: http://www.coffeeguy.com.au/onlineshop/coffee-brewing-equipment/breville-bes-900

Dinsdale · February 2012

Greetings, I'm new to serious espresso machines, www.bestcafes.com.au, and this thread, but as I have a new BES900 I figured this would be the place to ask my questions. Bring things back on-topic, so-to-speak :stir. These questions have probably already been covered, so if that's the case please point in the right direction - there's a lot of stuff to trawl through in the hope of serendipity.. As stated, I have a BES900, but I know little about producing good coffee. I also bought a BCG800 at the same time - the budget is in shreds :'(. I would like to lob a few questions in the general direction of some more knowledgeable folk if I may. I did open a thread with some questions about cleaning my machine, but I have some more general enquiries. I'm making milk drinks - flat white, cappuccino and trying my hand at latte. A simple one to begin with: Why does everyone want to remove the plastic disc in the bottom of the PF? I've tried prying it out but it won't budge without doing some damage, besides I don't know why I'm trying to pry it out. Unfortunately I'm having to use up nearly a Kg of pre-ground coffee before the "Ministry of Finance" will approve funds for real coffee. When I'm brewing the espresso I fill the 2 cup dual walled filter with as much coffee as I can and still get the PF to attach to the group head. I tamp it down very firmly indeed. Using the default settings in the machine it takes 6secs for the coffee to begin to flow, and the show's all over in 20secs. Am I correct in the belief that the machine delivers a set volume of water, or is it just a timer. The coffee's as good as one could expect given what I have to work with, but given that, it's better than it's ever tasted before. I read that the extraction time should be much longer than 20secs; is that correct? If I use the handbook's instructions for setting the shot volume, I am in fact altering the volume of coffee produced, is that right? And the only way to know how much coffee I'm producing is to collect it in a measuring cup? I'm half of a mind to leave it until I get some real coffee, but there is also the challenge of making something palatable out what I have. Who would have guessed that there are so many variables in a good cup of coffee. This is the beginning of an adventure which will no doubt endure for a long time

. Tia Dins

Dinsdale · February 2012

Ok, thanx. So, I received approval for some beans and have had some fun. This where I am so far. I've left all of the defaults in place except that I've increased the pre-infusion time to 8secs now - the pre-infusion ends just as the 1st drops of coffee emerge. With the BCG800 I started with the finest grind and have made it coarser, 1 click at a time just to try it and see what happens. I've been using the fullest doses I can in the standard dual wall 2 cup basket. Well, this is what happens: Firstly, every 2 cup shot (with 1 exception, I'll mention later) takes 21secs (inc the 8sec pre-infusion). I'm assuming that a smaller dose will take less time. The 1 exception was a try with the single wall basket, which, with all other factors remaining unchanged, took just 17secs. So, how do I achieve a 30+sec brew time? I do tamp quite firmly, but I believe I'm quite consistent. I read that the extraction time should be much longer than 20secs; is that correct? If I use the handbook's instructions for setting the shot volume, I am in fact altering the volume of coffee produced, is that right? And the only way to know how much coffee I'm producing is to collect it in a measuring cup? And the default 2 cup volume is 60ml I think. The coffee is quite palatable, but I know it'll get better.

Koffee_Kosmo · February 2012

No - extraction time is not a fixed thing It is just simply a guide or ideal In the Barista Championship rules it does not state that a shot is to be this or that time in duration As long as the Barista is consistent If it tastes good to you then that's all that matters I have a preference to 20-22 second shots over longer shots Thats how I like it KK

mcknightp · February 2012

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Ok, thanx. So, I received approval for some beans and have had some fun. This where I am so far. I've left all of the defaults in place except that I've increased the pre-infusion time to 8secs now - the pre-infusion ends just as the 1st drops of coffee emerge.

OK, put the pre-infusion back where it was at 7secs. You should not see any espresso drop until at least 11sec on the shot clock. If you do, then you need to adjust grind &/or dose. I always start with dose. The packed coffee should sit ~6-7mm below the top edge of the coffee basket. Use the cap on the tamper as a guide. Once you have this point, then you just adjust your grind coarser or finer to get the espresso to drop between 11 & 14secs. Hold tamp pressure at 15kg+

on 1329565506:

With the BCG800 I started with the finest grind and have made it coarser, 1 click at a time just to try it and see what happens. I've been using the fullest doses I can in the standard dual wall 2 cup basket. Well, this is what happens: Firstly, every 2 cup shot (with 1 exception, I'll mention later) takes 21secs (inc the 8sec pre-infusion). I'm assuming that a smaller dose will take less time. The 1 exception was a try with the single wall basket, which, with all other factors remaining unchanged, took just 17secs.

Refer to the above on what you should be looking for. Optimum dose ~6-7mm below the top edge of the filer basket, so it sounds to me like you need to grind finer & dose lower. Use the shot clock as a guide.

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So, how do I achieve a 30+sec brew time? I do tamp quite firmly, but I believe I'm quite consistent. I read that the extraction time should be much longer than 20secs; is that correct?

This machine uses volume to control shot duration. If you follow the guidelines above you will achieve your target volume in 28-35secs depending on how fast you like your shot to run. ie if espresso drop from the spout at 11secs then 30ml will be achieved in a shorter time than if the espresso dropped at 14secs.

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If I use the handbook's instructions for setting the shot volume, I am in fact altering the volume of coffee produced, is that right? And the only way to know how much coffee I'm producing is to collect it in a measuring cup? And the default 2 cup volume is 60ml I think.

I would forget about using the 1cup or 2cup buttons, just use the manual button, but concentrate on getting the dose right, then the grind size that delivers the first drops of espresso at 11-14secs. You can stop the shot when you have the correct volume in the cup or measure it with a shot glass etc Cheers, Phil

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The coffee is quite palatable, but I know it'll get better.

derrilex · February 2012

Does that mean KK ran a sink shot for Mrs AM ? He is treading on ya toes AM :rofl: :rofl:

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